2-3 NL. Villain doesn’t know what’s going on. She’s playing all sorts of trash hands, sizing her 3b all weird. The first limp min raise was queens and she way overbet her nut boat on turn and got paid anyways.

Hero on btn with AJss

Pre: HJ open 15, co, hero, sb call. V in bb makes it 30, all call 5 ways

Flop (150) : Jd8x5d
Check, V bets 35, HJ calls, btn calls, hero calls. 4 ways

Turn (290) : Addd
V bets 200, folds to hero who has 600 left

Call.

Sorry on turn it was co that called before hero.

Postflop whatever. Look, realistically we don't have a clue what she has, you block AA, there are probably a million middling strength hands she does this with preflop, the Ad is on the board. You can call down or fold.

Not squeezing preflop is the big mistake. Against a HJ open and CO call you can squeeze very, very liberally and AJs is a squeeze all day long. You want this heads up or at worst 3-way, and take advantage of having position and a good hand. Only calling is really flaccid, in come the blinds, whoopsy there's a minclick squeeze and all of a sudden you're dribbling money into a pot that's 5-ways with an awkward SPR.

Usually this is an obvious call down. The way she sized down the flop is strange, did she do that before with a large piece like AKo or AQo? Was she rarely 3b? Would she 3b KQo or worse? Was she always betting large when she got a big piece? Had she ever bet large with air or a terrible hand? Would she bet a big draw and then call or fold to a raise?

There are maybe two combos you lose to. JJ and maybe a combo total of AA and KQdd. And 6 combos you beat that kind of vibe with her downbet QQ and KK with the K or Q of diamonds. I probably go into call down mode if there are no answers to the above questions. But I think if you have answers to the above that could change a lot of things.

Edit: Can you clarify, CO called on the flop but not the turn correct?

I think I'm ~ok with everything to the decision point.

Gross spot on the turn. I probably hero fold. I mean, is she really betting whiffed AK on the flop this multiway to go nutso with it on this turn? Cuz that's kinda what we're hoping for. No one plays KK-QQ like this on this turn. So she's mostly just coolered us with AA/JJ or made a flush with KQdd/etc. But I see monsters real easy.

ETA: I'm assuming CO called the flop. If CO is getting involved on the turn I think it is a pretty trivial fold.

GbutIseemonsterscuzmonstersexistG

Co called the flop and folded the turn. Sorry for the confusion.

I don’t have answers to these questions. We have seen her limp call Q5o but no clue what she would do with KQ or AK both pre and on this flop.

Unless you have seen her 3bet wide it's safe to assume she's like every other LLSNL player and is 3betting narrow. I only see a few combos you lose to, like KQdd,AA and JJ. Spazzy player could have AxKd here.

I'd ask her how big her flush is as you call turn and then eval her reaction on the river. You might slow her down and get a read that way.

I'm really tempted to jam - i have villain mostly on 1p w/diamond and some other spazzy bluffs/semi-bluffs.

I would mostly rule out diamond draw from flop sizing.

Omaha donk im jamming with description. Think its really likely she has ako needing one more for a flush

I'd discount KdQd - I just don't see many low stakes players 3betting KQs like ever.

I think her range is likely JJ-AA, perhaps some AK, but agree with GG that it feels unlikely she's leading into 4 with AK on flop.

We block AA, JJ, so fewer combos but she didn't slow down at all when the flush came in, and it's a big bet not just in terms of pot size, but aggregate size, so I'd weight her slightly more toweards AA, JJ, KdKx, QdQx, perhaps AxKd which I'd discount quite a bit because of flop.

I don't think I can make GG's hero fold, so I probably just call here, and soul read a river jam on a blank.

She loves the ace, and AK doesn't seem to fit into her range as described (is she really doing this with TT thru KK? cuz that's all we beat). I fold but that's just me.

besides jacks of course*

Call. She sounds clueless enough to have AK, AQ here, or even a hand like KdKx. We can reevaluate on river maybe. Sometimes she will check or make a blocker bet though.

3bet pre pure pre.

I don't think she even knows what a blocker bet is so I'm assuming the rest of her money's going in otr, so we're making a decision rn for our stack. She could also have a weird flush combo too (whether she sees the flush or not). She's only min-raised before with queens that we know of, and bet big when she had a monster. More info is needed such as what did she 3bet in the other hands, how often, etc., but if I've only seen her min-raise (or min-3bet) pre with queens, I'm willing to give her aces here or AKdd (although less likely per her description).

I also agree to 3bet pre

Unless the read is expanded on / you-had-to-be-there / etc., this is also the main part of the read for me as well. When she has a monster, she attempts to get in a crapload of chips. Sure, she's playing absolute crap hands preflop too, but there is no mention of her piling money in with those hands UI.

The only worry for me at this point is that she is *so* clueless that she doesn't realize KK-QQ is such a terrible hand at this point. But I honestly can't recall the last time I've ever played with anyone in a casino poker room that was at this noobish a level. So until proven otherwise, I'm just grouping her into the normal "casino-level" bad instead of "lol-has-literally-never-played-poker-before" bad (who don't really exist in a casino environment, ime).

GcluelessreadsnoobG

Fold. Is she going to c-bet w/ AK on flop? Is she 3-betting AK? She goes from 20% pot on flop to 66% bomb on turn. She has shown to bomb when she hits.
What do we beat here that is not spazz? AK. That's it.

sry totally misread this the first time

i dont mind 3b pre but i kind of like calling given we have btn and whale is in bb

never folding this (which i assume isn't the question), i can see merit to both call and raise. i kind of think raise with this makes sense and to just call flushes from a theory standpoint but can also see her torching river if you call. the more random stuff you think she has pre - which is difficult to assess for you and impossible for us, the more i think u just want to call. to be honest she sounds random / clueless and its probably easier for her to min3b the bb than to limp minrr but thats sort of a game time decision for you.

can see potential argument to raising the flop based on flop sizing and the 2 callers

comedy option - backraise pre but i think we don't really have enough evidence to make this viable. interesting to me though if shes stupid loose here because theres 120 in the middle when it gets to you and bb is the only person who isn't capped

I was also thinking about this, you could very comfortably fold to a jam. Tempting as it sounds, it's probably a mistake, even to try and undo the mistake of not squeezing the first time round

FWIW, I'm taking the two halves of this read sentence as two totally separate entities, so maybe I'm a little unclear of who we are dealing with here.

Has she 3bet trash hands preflop? I'm assuming she isn't...

Ggarbagein/garbageout,imoG

dunno would need to look at exact stacks and assumptions to figure out if we're back raise small / folding or back raising larger and committing. really just depends on how wide you range bb and what you think she's going to do vs both sizes. hand is ok to gii if shes very wide with how much is dead imo. youre risking 630ish to win 120, its not that different from 5b jamming over someone 4betting too wide

re the squeeze thing, the ev is generally pretty close at equilibrium between the two options (looks like a mix to me vs minraise and while yes him opening bigger is justification to squeeze its whatever) and if you have a whale you are deep with in the bb (who isn't going to cold call a ton of range vs 3bet) you're most likely best off just calling regardless of what solved ranges look like

Knowing what we know about the main villain, having seen her min-raise only once before with queens (if that's the case), back raising would just be clicking buttons. We have a hand that plays well multiway and for only 1x more pre I would just call to see a flop rather than raise/folding but that's just me.

Approximately many times had she 3bet in the session and was it always a min size? and how many hours was that? Did you see any showdowns when she 3bet aside from the QQ hand?

He said he did not have answers to her 3b frequency when I asked.

I had only been at the table 30 minutes. Her first 3b was the limp raise, this was the second.