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Everyone at the table is loose-passive and play their hands face up. The one exception is V, who plays a little more aggressively.

V - 30 y/o white guy. Rec player. He's been discussing his strategy with the woman sitting next to him. He says he c-bets 100% of the time he raises pre-flop (which has been accurate so far). He's opening very wide from all positions (think T8s from EP).

He's burned through about $400 since I sat down. One of the times he got stacked, he limped Q2s UTG and called a $15 raise pf from a 75 y/o woman on the button. Flop was Qxx with his suit. He c/r the flop and called a shove vs. the woman's obvious overpair and lost.

V played one hand with hero. Hero button straddled. V limped in mp. Hero raised with AJ pre and V called. Hero c-bet 842 rainbow flop. V called flop. Board ran out with an 8 and a 7. Turn and river were both checked. V had 89o for trips. He said he expected me to bet because he put me on an overpair when I bet the flop.

Effective stacks $175 (everyone has roughly this amount) - Hero covers

The hand

V raises to $12 UTG
Hero calls with AJ in MP
Two LP calls from loose-passive players

Flop ($48)
A103
V bets $15
Hero calls
Other two V's call

Turn $108
J
V checks
Hero puts everyone all-in

Thoughts?

My thinking during the hand:

Flatting flop works for me, from your description V could have ATC and his low C-bet (1/4 pot) could be a slow-played big hand, which V's like to do. Also as you note, you have 2 people to act behind you. You either way ahead or way behind, and don't want to overplay your TPGK hand. Does V play his big hands slow or fast? What about the people behind you?

On the turn you hit 2P, and as you note, want to get value from weaker TP hands. But I think that overbet / jamming the pot is a mistake. Any weaker hands that could reasonable call will now be folded out, and your only callers are likely to be slow-played sets / 2P hands. I would have bet $60 on the turn (since no flushes are out there) and set up an all-in on the river. If someone jams over my turn bet, I would evaluate based on their tendencies (about which we have no info here).

Bet 70 on turn
sets up a 75 river bet into a $240 pot. All the hands you think would call the turn shove, are going to call down with this line. PLUS you make an extra 70 against KJ/KT type hands and really weak Ax type hands

You're forcing so many weaker hands out which would have called a turn bet but are now folding. There's not many hands calling which you beat. Most tptk are gonna fold and some two paired hands

I'd probably fold pre. UTG raises from loose-passive players normally indicate strength. Villain may limp with garbage but I doubt he consistently raises in EP with crap. AJ is a trap hand because its easily dominated by hands he would raise with. I would consider a call with AJ in the CO or button knowing I'll have position throughout the hand. I wouldn't in MP.

Good job on the flop. Way to call and not overplay your hand with a raise. On the turn, I'd probably bet about $60 or $70, enough to scare away gut shot draws and get calls from AK/AQ/AT/weaker A. You want callers. I think shoving about $150 into a $110 pot folds out some weaker hands that would call a smaller 2/3 pot bet.

I don't like flatting a 6x open with AJo with these stack sizes. I would normally just fold, but if you've seen this villain open frequently from EP with hands like T8s, then this is a great spot to 3bet preflop. I think I'd make it like $30 or $35 planning to cbet most flops if villain calls and then checks to us.

Once you just call preflop I like your line post. No reason to raise the flop and blow out everything worse. Once you hit top two on the turn with < 1.5 SPR it's pretty much a mandatory shove IMO.

I would 3bet preflop for sure. Villain has all kinds of crazy ****, and you don't want a huge multiway pot with AJo.

I would consider raising the flop, depending on how the villain is going to play something like JT or a random Ax.

On the turn, I'm baffled as to why you wouldn't get your stack in over two streets rather than just one. I'm also confused that you say AK/AQ/AT is a big part of villain's range. He's done nothing at all to show strength apart from raising preflop (which he does with a very wide range) and betting the flop (which he does 100% of the time).

I said AK/AQ/AT was a big part of ALL Vs range (meaning the two Vs in LP in addition to targeted and described V). Passive players don't typically 3-bet AK or AQ. All three villains called the flop.

What range would you assign to players who are calling that flop? I think it's mostly Ax's. AA would 3-bet pre. Sets would probably raise the flop since they're playing so straightfoward. I would guess gutshots, Tx and A3 might make up the rest of their range.

I actually read V's bet as weakness since it's so small relative to the pot. I agree that spreading the remaining stack over 2 streets would be better.

I would think these guys would call that flop bet with any A, any T, and any two broadway cards they saw the flop with.

I'm fine with pre and flop actions.

But the bet sizing, in absolute terms, has gone $12 (3 callers), $15 (3 callers), ~$150 all-in. That seems too drastic. No one has given any indication that they actually have a strong hand.

I'd consider betting as little as $50 on this turn card. That's low relative to the pot size, but also should entice action from opponents who still hope their ace-rag is good. It leaves you with ~$100 on the river, which is still a trivial shove on most river cards.

The argument for betting more like $70 or $80 is that we might get calls on the turn from players still praying for a gutshot who will then fold when they miss the river. Hence, bet more now, while they're still willing to pay. My worry about that line is that most of these villains are thinking in absolute terms. $70-80 is a huge jump from $12-15.

I can't decide if I like $70-80 or $50 more. $150 is too steep though. It's only getting called by two pair or better (and those hands would come along to the river with us anyway).

PF: Even against this V description, I'm folding AJo from MP.

F: (4) handed. Pot is $51. SPR is 3. Effective stack has $163. V bets 36%P ($15). We call, and the two LP players call. When we call, what's our plan? Are we going to call this V down with TPWK? We know that he Cbets 100% of time.

I think we should be raising for value here. I would raise to $42. If V re-raises, we can comfortably fold.

T: (4) handed. Pot is $111. Effective stack has $148. V checks, which likely means he does not have anything. Then we decided to ship $148 into a pot of $111.

Why in the hell would we do that? We are only getting called by better hands. Your ship is representing KQ. AT likely folds. TT and 33 will call. KQ, of course calls. I just really don't see the point of shipping it here.

Why don't we just bet something like $50 specifically targeting hands like AK, AQ, AT, and weaker Aces from the LP players that have to act behind us.

Edit: Comments after reading spoiler: If you wanted to isolate this V, then just calling doesn't get your desired result of "...wanted to play a hand in position against a splashy V." If you wanted to do this you need to 3!. We are in MP and have many other Vs still to act. You indicated other Vs were loose-passive, so they are going to call, so then you don't have position.

Again, shoving the turn likely gets AK and AQ to fold. AT may or may not fold.

I dislike all streets, and agree with Below Zero on all his thoughts.

Why do we think villains would raise flop w big hand

Hand is played like a rec fish would.

Call pre is asking to play hand in terrible position. As you are going to face a bet on flop, and will most likely have players behind you to act

Pre: Strong hand vs a fishy open. This is a great spot to 3bet. Would 3 bet small to $30, expecting him to call 70% of his opening range. We will be heads up, in position, with card advantage (the majority of the time)

Turn: Why are we jamming? Let's target Ace hands and 2 pair hands. Bet half your stack. The other half on river.

Just seen your spoiler. Targeting AK, AQ. By jamming is awful. You are going to get them to fold quite often.

We arnt afraid of to many draws. I would bet roughly $70. Jam river.

KQ (was getting odds to call), and sets (very likely). Are calling shoves. But AK could easily find a fold, having only put $27 in pot.