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12-17-2021 , 12:59 AM
Hello! I was playing 1/3$ with 300$ stack. Raised KhQs at MP to 15$, SB called ( 300$ stack, normal guy, nothing additional). Flop - Ks6c4d. He checked, I betted 20$, he called. Turn - 2h. He checked, I checked. River - Ah. He checked, I betted 20$, he raised to 80$...
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12-17-2021 , 01:19 AM
Just bet the turn. As played I’d check back river. Fold now, people don’t c/r bluff rivers, especially since you have an ace a lot here.
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12-17-2021 , 10:06 AM
matzah_ball covered this one. Both hero and villain have a lot of AX in their range. So you don't have much reason to bet river and generic villain is almost never bluffing when they raise.

I don't mind the turn check on the very dry board. It's a good situation for a bet/check/bet to mix up lines but the ace on the river killed that plan. You need to shut it down and just try to get out of the hand cheaply at that point.
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12-17-2021 , 11:18 AM
I don’t even mind the small river bet. The argument against it is sb should be playing really tight and not having a lot of k-10 off pre that we beat. But we still put him where he has to make a discipline fold with some hands. We have to fold to this check raise though. But we have plenty aces that get here so it’s not a great bluffing spot for villain.
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12-17-2021 , 11:31 AM
Pot the turn and jam good rivers. Bet/folding river is good.

Checking turn is missing too much value with a hand that wants 3 streets. You can check turn with weaker hands.
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12-17-2021 , 08:38 PM
I like check on the turn. I'd check the river too. The Ah is a bad card for you. Why do you want to bet it? AP fold. Your K isn't a profitable bluff-catcher against this large bet.
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12-17-2021 , 09:44 PM
Why x turn?
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12-17-2021 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
Why x turn?
I felt pretty good vs Kx and was going to bet vs them on the river. I saw a lot of semibluff hands in his spector and didn't want them to fold but was going to bet vs them on the river too or call their bluff on the river: such hands as A6, Q6, J6, 75, 87.
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12-18-2021 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RockingFox
I felt pretty good vs Kx and was going to bet vs them on the river. I saw a lot of semibluff hands in his spector and didn't want them to fold but was going to bet vs them on the river too or call their bluff on the river: such hands as A6, Q6, J6, 75, 87.
Do yourself a favor and stop thinking of your opponents as complete button clicking monkeys.

No one flats Q6/J6/75 from SB. Yes, even live at 1/3. Don't expect that to be part of anyone's realistic range.

Either way, once he raises river, he narrows his range to Ax and above anyway. Just fold
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12-18-2021 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Do yourself a favor and stop thinking of your opponents as complete button clicking monkeys.

No one flats Q6/J6/75 from SB. Yes, even live at 1/3. Don't expect that to be part of anyone's realistic range.

Either way, once he raises river, he narrows his range to Ax and above anyway. Just fold
It's very funny, as he showed 62
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12-18-2021 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
Do yourself a favor and stop thinking of your opponents as complete button clicking monkeys.

No one flats Q6/J6/75 from SB. Yes, even live at 1/3. Don't expect that to be part of anyone's realistic range.

Either way, once he raises river, he narrows his range to Ax and above anyway. Just fold
Suited versions of these are 100% in at least one player's SB calling range at almost any table I've ever played. Unsuited versions for at least one player for every 4 hour+ session I've ever played.
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12-18-2021 , 11:38 PM
I bet turn but w/e. AP folding river is fine without special reads.
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12-19-2021 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RockingFox
I felt pretty good vs Kx and was going to bet vs them on the river. I saw a lot of semibluff hands in his spector and didn't want them to fold but was going to bet vs them on the river too or call their bluff on the river: such hands as A6, Q6, J6, 75, 87.


This doesn’t make sense.

First off you’re using “semi bluff” incorrectly. A semi bluff is when u bet/raise with a non-SDV hand that has outs to improve to the best hand.

The range that u have villain would be best described as weak bluff catchers.

Now u say u wanna bluff catch on the river vs a range of bluff catchers? Idk man usually u wanna bluff catch vs a range that contains lots of non-SDV bluffs since most people try to get to show down with SDV rather than bluff with SDV.

I think u should bet turn small to get value from this weak range and then bet again on the river to get value from the weaker KX. (Maybe not on an Ace river)
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12-20-2021 , 01:55 PM
If our preflop result is often expected (HU in position) then I'm fine with it.

Doing a flop bet / turn check or flop check / turn bet some of the time are both fine, imo, especially on this pretty drawless board, especially when one of the only draws gets there on the turn. Against loose passive ABC calling stations bet/folding small each street is fine too.

As played, I'm also betting small for value on the river unless I'm perhaps up against an extremely tricky / aggro player. I'm folding to the raise. ETA: Surprised some are advocating for a river check given this action; it's unlikely opponent has an A to begin with, and even more unlikely he's going to check the river with it once we check behind the turn. Sure, we valuetown ourselves sometimes, but I think a small value bet is still required against most, plus even having them fold and not having to show our hand has its benefits.

Gnicehandifwefoldedattheveryend,imoG
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