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Advice for loose aggro live game, sometimes deep Advice for loose aggro live game, sometimes deep

10-24-2021 , 12:23 PM
Trying a new game live poker new casino but having hard time to adapt:

Almost all players 100-500bb deep some common situation

a) Some guy stradlle or some guy open raise, 4 or 5 callers, always, if i 3bet all call, so i decide to shove QQ+ AK+ AQs, and call some impliedd odds hands, when i have 100-150 bb , the problem is when im 200+ deep

b) I open UTG my normal range, 6 guys calls i hit the flop top pair top kicker, i cbet 4 guys call i check the turn and always some guy bet turn, i call, and river HU the guy shove (living hell) some rivers complete draws other not, but almost all hands end with a shove after a massive multiway pot (i loose a lot with 1 pair type hand, but i cant fold AK pre, can i?)..

c) the game is agressive i never know where i am because always multiway pots, and players like to bluff vs checks IP, players make bad value bets like Top pair medium kicker or probe turn with medium pair on turn on multiway pots (5-6 players).

d) some random guy open raise 8bb UTG, 3 or 4 callers IM CO with 22-77, set mine vs that size? i need 9x to profit, but 8bb open is huge and what if other player squeeze? dont happen a lot but happen sometimes, what about browadways like KQ or SC like 76s

I study a lot of GTO+ and solver strategy stuff last months now returning to live poker and living hell, totally diferent game

Advices, how do u guys handle than kind of games?
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10-24-2021 , 02:09 PM
Wildly varying deep stacks greatly complicate the game. You will have to pay attention to stack sizes every hand and adjust on the fly. Also notice the stack sizes of the villains after you, because you can easily hose yourself by raising somebody with a range suitable for their stack and then having a much deeper stack come in behind. Conversely you can sometimes flat with hands that you would play in the hopes that a deep stack after you also calls.

One of the things you will have to do is start playing a more randomized range. You can't get away with the always raise these hands, always call these hands and fold the rest type range. You need to have hands you raise some of the time and call some of the time, some implied odds hands you mix with raise/call/fold. The goal is too have good potential flop coverage but you cant play that many weak hands so you have to mix up your range.

If every hand is going multiway to the flop you will need to adjust your range by position even more then usual. Play very little in EP with enough odd play that you could hit almost any flop. Play loose in LP and wait till you do hit the flop with a few bluffs mixed in.

Normally I would say you need some 3 and possibly even 4 bet bluffs but your table sounds super sticky so skip that.

a) Once you get above 200BB the shove is a mistake unless the pot is really bloated. You need a 3 bet range at that point. Don't always 3 bet QQ/AK/AQs and mix in a few 3 bets with implied odds hands. Don't feel obligated to c-bet even if you 3 bet preflop, just check/fold useless flops.

b) If people are consistently getting that aggro open more implied odds hands in EP. You will have a better idea where you stand and can just give up more flops. With AK keep up the aggression preflop and on the flop but if you get that many calls on your c-bet be ready to give up TPTK to turn bets. AK will be a very high variance hand in these situations, you just have to accept that.

c) Check/call with some two pair+ and keep up the aggression more often with top pair. But keep in mind that multiway one pair will not be the best hand very often if you get turn action. Sometimes give up on TPTK on the flop if the board is so draw heavy that no run out is good for you. Remember to mix in a few bluffs when the board is ace high. Particularly with your bad draws when you will have garbage or a great hand on the turn.

d) You should be looking for something like 15X - 20X total potential profit but that should be easy at a game like you describe. This is where you need to consider stack sizes on the fly. If the pot is heavy with 100BB and less then fold, if it's heavy with 200BB+ then call. Same thing with broadways and SC except you want better odds, upwards of 30X. Just remember to count what is in the pot already also. Even if your looking for 240BB profit if there is 30BB in the pot already it is a lot easier to get there.

Loose preflop/overly aggressive post flop games where almost every pot goes multiway to the flop blow a lot of simple GTO strategy out of the water. It is so contrary to conventional play that normal GTO information doesn't cover that dark corner of poker play.
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10-24-2021 , 02:37 PM
Thanks @quad great answers i will implement on my game
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10-24-2021 , 04:40 PM
The deeper you get the more the potential to make the nuts matters and the more position matters. Medium to big pairs get more valuable and small pairs less so because oversetting is a real danger 500bb deep. Suited aces are more valuable because overflushes are a thing.
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10-25-2021 , 01:44 AM
when you are deep in mass multiway pots you need to be a lot more cautious with one pair holdings. play tight, and spend the time when you are out of the hand observing your opponents carefully. live poker players are extremely idiosyncratic and often play extremely unbalanced ranges. they're not some monolithic whole, don't treat them like they are.
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10-25-2021 , 04:01 PM
Tighten up a bit pre, stick to polarized ranges when you decide to get aggressive, avoid capping your range as much as possible.
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10-25-2021 , 05:54 PM
Stop shoving with your 3 bet range. All your villains are doing is just getting out of your way when they can't beat your range. Tighten up in EP and open up in LP. TP is rarely going to be good on the turn if people start shoving in money.
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10-25-2021 , 06:40 PM
When you're playing "bingo poker", as I like to call our home games where most pots are contested 5-9 handed, AK becomes a lot less valuable and potentially very dangerous if you can't let it go. Same with any big pair or TPTK.

Not to say you can't play them, but proceed with caution...I've seen too many people stack off and lose to Q2 and 74 making two pair.
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10-26-2021 , 01:11 AM
^^^
Big pairs are great preflop because top set potential is important and the nut potential of AKs is also important.

Agree its a very bad idea to get excited about having a nutty one pair hand when the SPR is like 80:1.
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10-26-2021 , 03:33 PM
thanks guys, all great advices. Im getting more confortable when i have 100bb just opening a tight high card range very big 8-12bb open raise, i always get 2-3 calls from recr and just stack off when i hit TP + with a low SPR, and fold when multiway with air because they float a lot flops and ther never fold any piece of flop

But when deep 200bb+ im struggling opening big preflop OOP, so im going to maybe open smaller like 4bb and play carefully one pair hands.
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