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08-06-2011 , 01:42 PM
I wanted to see if anyone had any advice on a 2-5 hand I played recently. It is a very very weak game, very low variance. Most players are loose passive, however my main opponent in this hand has no starting requirements. He virtually plays every hand, and is possibly one of the biggest fish I have ever played against. However, he is very aggressive, and tends to want to stack me any chance he can.

My stack is about 205, his stack is about 600. ( I am not a great player, but I am equivalent to Phil Ivey in this game.

ME: BB w AK
VILLAIN: UTG

UTG Calls, two more callers

in BB I raise to 25.

All three players call.


FLOP: K88

CHECK all around.

TURN: 4

I bet out 65. UTG MOVES ALL IN, and the other players fold. ANY ADVICE?

This guy's game of choice is not hold em. He is certainly a gambler by nature. He is not afraid to put his whole stack in the middle, and he will frequently raise in early position with A4 type hand, not for deception purposes or anything, but because he genuinely thinks he has a big hand. He also tends to after my stack and play big pots with me. One last thing, he tends to slow play big hands similar to the way this hand has played out.
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08-06-2011 , 02:05 PM
Looks like a clear fold I mean if the reads u have given are correct than obv this is not a bluff or atleaste it's very heavily weighted toward value the majority of the time.

Is there a reason u checked flop? I would lead otf and lead ott. b/c otf and b/f ott.

If villians range is as wide as u state there's plenty of combos of hands were drawing almost dead against and given this push into 3 players it doesn't look like a great place to call even with AK.
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08-06-2011 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve_Sketch
Looks like a clear fold I mean if the reads u have given are correct than obv this is not a bluff or atleaste it's very heavily weighted toward value the majority of the time.

Is there a reason u checked flop? I would lead otf and lead ott. b/c otf and b/f ott.

If villians range is as wide as u state there's plenty of combos of hands were drawing almost dead against and given this push into 3 players it doesn't look like a great place to call even with AK.
Fair points.... I will add that this player would not consider whose in the hand, but still a valid point. I will add few weeks ago we were in a similar situation where he had position on me, but were just heads up. (same stack sizes as in other example)

ME: QQ

FLOP: A 26
CHECK, CHECK

TURN: A

I bet out a pot sized bet and he shoved again.. only to show
55

And my hand held up to win the pot.

He does tend to slow play big hands very similar to the way he played that hand, however he regularly loses 6-7 buy ins.
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08-06-2011 , 02:36 PM
He may have more bluffs in his range than I am giving him credit for given second hand. However I don't think I snap call by nemeans but I go nit mode when facing agression in such a passive weak game.

We have 275 in pot after being faced with ai so if we think he can bluff here half the time or even a little less I think I call. I just don't see many hands that bluff here but ur bet does seem weak following a flop check. I think I make a crying call do to our under repped hand and previous history. But I don't think it's a massively +ev spot. But we can't really give up now can we?
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08-06-2011 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve_Sketch
He may have more bluffs in his range than I am giving him credit for given second hand. However I don't think I snap call by nemeans but I go nit mode when facing agression in such a passive weak game.

We have 275 in pot after being faced with ai so if we think he can bluff here half the time or even a little less I think I call. I just don't see many hands that bluff here but ur bet does seem weak following a flop check. I think I make a crying call do to our under repped hand and previous history. But I don't think it's a massively +ev spot. But we can't really give up now can we?
Once again, valid points across the board. He suspected I had nothing with the flop check. If he had a hand like K Q or K J he probably would have put out a big bet on the flop. History has shown he would slowplay a set. However, even with K J he would not be worried about 2 players behind him as well as a preflop raise by me (the tightest player at the table).

This guy 70% of the time mucks at showdown, and when the showdowns are all-ins he probably mucks 85-90% of the time

Last edited by thenutcase87; 08-06-2011 at 02:55 PM.
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08-06-2011 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by thenutcase87
Once again, valid points across the board. He suspected I had nothing with the flop check. If he had a hand like K Q or K J he probably would have put out a big bet on the flop. History has shown he would slowplay a set. However, even with K J he would not be worried about 2 players behind him as well as a preflop raise by me (the tightest player at the table).
I also figured the pot was about 350, I had another 115, almost 3.5-1 with top two top kicker against weakest player at the table
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08-06-2011 , 03:14 PM
definitely a snap call with the stacks and reads you gave
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08-06-2011 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by spew$
definitely a snap call with the stacks and reads you gave
Can you explain why?
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08-06-2011 , 03:26 PM
How does he view your check OTF? Is it possible that he thinks "Well, since he checked, he obv does not have the king, so I can get him of his hand by raising"?

The pot is relatively large in relation to your remaining stack.

Without further information, I would snapcall. But depending other reads, I can imagine situations where it is a fold.

Also, with this table and your small stack, raise more pre!
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08-06-2011 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by thenutcase87
. He suspected I had nothing with the flop check. .
Sorry, just saw this. Under this circumstances, it is a very trivial call.
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08-06-2011 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by whatsyourplay?
How does he view your check OTF? Is it possible that he thinks "Well, since he checked, he obv does not have the king, so I can get him of his hand by raising"?

The pot is relatively large in relation to your remaining stack.

Without further information, I would snapcall. But depending other reads, I can imagine situations where it is a fold.

Also, with this table and your small stack, raise more pre!
He views me as a tight player with no guts..... he could have viewed it as me not having a king, but if you look at the hand with the queens vs fives you can see what Im dealing with.
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08-06-2011 , 03:42 PM
Sorry for wrong pot size in earlier post drunken slumber math skills are not sharp. We are gettin 3.5/1 on a call.

I think if villian was a good reg he would do this with value hands now as opposed to trying to extrct value from all three streets because how often are u going to bet/bet/bet on a texture like this facing a call ott from villian. I'm not sure if villian could have the ability or perception to wittingly do this.

If we only have 100~ behind us after bet ott your image comes into play a small amount as well if villian percieves u as fairly agressive he may shove as a bluff more often than if he views u as a passive.
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08-06-2011 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve_Sketch
Sorry for wrong pot size in earlier post drunken slumber math skills are not sharp. We are gettin 3.5/1 on a call.

I think if villian was a good reg he would do this with value hands now as opposed to trying to extrct value from all three streets because how often are u going to bet/bet/bet on a texture like this facing a call ott from villian. I'm not sure if villian could have the ability or perception to wittingly do this.

If we only have 100~ behind us after bet ott your image comes into play a small amount as well if villian percieves u as fairly agressive he may shove as a bluff more often than if he views u as a passive.
I am confused... but villain only plays his cards... he not doing much thinking at all.
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08-06-2011 , 03:59 PM
The worse the villian the easier the fold ( in this situation) IMO
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08-06-2011 , 07:16 PM
I don't get it. You posted the same hand in a different thread as a 1/2 hand. Care to explain? It completely changes the hand if you have 40 BB instead of 100 BB.
Moreover, I don't get your reads. Is Villain an action junky or a thinking player?
You get 3.5 to 1 with TPTK and no money behind where you underrepped your hand. What's to discuss here? Did I miss something?
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08-06-2011 , 08:27 PM
well by the way your describing villian and because of your chip stack I guess your always calling there right. I think if u were playing deeper stacks I would fold but if what u say about villian is right I would always be calling with only a 100 or so behind. This is purely on your info on villian
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08-06-2011 , 08:31 PM
go play live 1-2

and snap wtf? and get 100bb and some ballz
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08-06-2011 , 08:44 PM
If you're Phil Ivey, I don't know why you have a $205 stack. Rebuy. Raise more preflop, to around ~$35. Bet the flop. On the turn, it is a snap call. You have put in almost half your stack.
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08-07-2011 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by whatsyourplay?
I don't get it. You posted the same hand in a different thread as a 1/2 hand. Care to explain? It completely changes the hand if you have 40 BB instead of 100 BB.
Moreover, I don't get your reads. Is Villain an action junky or a thinking player?
You get 3.5 to 1 with TPTK and no money behind where you underrepped your hand. What's to discuss here? Did I miss something?
hes an action junky, and it was a 1/2 game
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08-07-2011 , 03:58 PM
This whole post seems fishy. First of all how can this be a low variance game game when u have an opponent who is very aggressive and play almost every hand? Second, if you are equivalent to Phil Ivey in this game you would not be asking us for advice.
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08-07-2011 , 04:04 PM
Third ivey wouldn't sit with 40bb against a maniac who has 120bb and loves gamboling with air
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08-08-2011 , 02:00 AM
Hero should bet flop half pot. Shove turn.

As played - call. A definite drawback to live poker mass multiway pots but is way good in the long run.
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08-08-2011 , 04:19 AM
LEAD the flopppppppppppppppp....
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