1/3 game at Orleans. 3am. Straddles to $6 most hands and good action. H has about 650 and covers V. About 300 ish effective. No real history on V's.

UTG straddle to $6

UTG +2 raises to 20 (younger kid)
MP 1 calls 20
SB calls 20 (seems like an OMC type)

H makes it $100 with AdKd.

Only SB calls.

What is our best play PF here and why? I raised for several reasons. I think I am get some better hands to fold like medium pocket pairs, and some worse hands to fold of course like AQ or KQ, which I am fine with since I amk OOP. I also don't want to play a multiway bloated pot OOP, so I prefer to just take it down or go heads up at worst. The problem is once I get called (by anyone) now what is my move on the flop. Am I just jamming 90% of the time and hoping I don't get called? Maybe I should only be making this kind of play OTB - or maybe not at all ? I really don't know and can see arguments either way.

In this particular hand the flop was KJx and I jammed and got called - which sucks bc now I am never getting called by worse, but I can't really check either. I can certainly bet to fold out QQ or maybe 10s, but am getting called by JJ or even AA or KK somehow.

I guess just calling pre keep the pot a bit smaller but either way I feel like folding, calling, and raising all seem wrong somehow preflop. I have such a love hate relationship with AK.

Was my play a mistake or am I just being results oriented? Sometimes it is truly hard to know!

You're being results oriented. The 3bet was excellent. The only wrong move would be folding. Not sure why you feel reraising is wrong.

V called off 1/3 of his stack so he's clearly a fish. Plan should be to shove any flop since you have a PSB left. He's likely fit or fold anyways as an OMC. Even if we miss, we likely have 25% equity so we're not losing much money (assuming V has one pair and a kicker that's not A or K). Factor in times we fold out better (like PP) or get called by way worse (like KQ) and it's a profitable shove.

Why do you think you can't check the flop?

What am I supposed to do? Check fold a K high flop?

SPR is basically 1, right? Raise to $100. Get 1 caller. Pot is over $200 and only $200 effective?

Sometimes, hands just play themselves.

What did he have?

Why would you have to fold if you check?

The purpose IMO of checking would only be to induce a bluff or bet from worse, which is just not happening from this type of guy. If he has QQ he will be content to check and then I will feel stupid when a Q rolls off and I'm not good enough to lay down my hand. I don't see any point in checking this flop and letting this guy realize his equity.

As it turned out the guy showed up with AA - but my main concern here was my preflop play. After that, the hand plays itself.

So, not a fish now?

Eh, kind of fishy. He seemed pretty willing to go 4 ways with AA for 20 preflop.....

I think this pretty much confirms that he's a fish.

This OMC is the type of player that flats AA 4-way in the SB instead of reraising, gets stacks in OTF, finds out he got out flopped, then complains to everyone how he always loses with Aces.

Maybe he saw OP reaching for chips? Maybe has some tell on OP or the straddler?

It's possible. But it's far more probable that he's a passive fish.

He's an OMC after all. Let's not give him that much credit for spotting tells.

I am an OMC and spot plenty of tells.

If you had just called, the pot would have been 80 with 280 effective left. Not sure how you'd get away from the hand anyway on that flop. This is just a cooler.

You can't check fold in position.

Part of the reason would be to induce, but the other part would be to get value from worse than Kx on future streets. If he doesn't bet with worse than AK on this flop then perhaps you should fold turn if he leads.

If you aren't good enough to fold the 2nd best hand then I don't know what to tell you other than play better. Also, you shouldn't be so concerned about 2-outters. Sure, it's a risk to check the flop but the risk is minimal.

Preflop is either/or for me. There's decent dead money compared to $300 stacks in there, so it's worth going after; but with $600 stacks, meh, not as much. Also depends on whether anyone can be getting tricky here (i.e. if we're $600 deep could OMC in SB be sandbagging a big hand hoping for straddle to reraise?). Is straddle going to reraise a lot? How strong is UTG's raising range? I would consider all these things.

I'm cool with it though. We ended up with a PSB left, so I'd probably plan on jamming any flop (*perhaps* checking back flops that we crush if we think we could possibly squeeze another bet out of worse hands on a drawless board). A KJx board is slightly too drawy to risk a free card, imo, so obvious PSB jam (and I expect to be ahead here a lot).

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You also have 10,700 posts so you're clearly not the typical OMC

Learn how to make life miserable for the SB. You got to see all 5 cards all the way down to the river. So, go ahead and do what you got to do with the beautiful boss hand of AK

OP, you were going to call if SB shoved over you pre, right?

Your opponent is obviously a big fish by just calling $20 before your action with $300 effective. Playing AA against 4 opponents is a fishy strategy.

Never check or never c/f in similar situation when HU with 1/3 of the effective stacks preflop.

This is funny, the V in this hand posted the same hand today. I was reading this and thought it sounded familiar.

See the post titled AA Last Night against Aggro Villian

Per the V (or Hero) in that thread, he smoothed it b/c he was expecting a raise.

When it gets to you, there's $70 in the pot before the rake. You bump it to $100 to go. Not terrible, but I'd go a little more, like $125.

There's no getting away from the hand under most circumstances once you put in the 3-bet, so you're gii anyway ... and honestly I'd prefer to end it preflop and take my winnings. $125 makes it a little more likely you'll end it preflop.

Just read his post. He said he was 'hoping' to get raised. That's a big difference. It means he wasn't picking up on any tells or going off any history. Just praying that one of the two other players decided to go psycho.

1) you're 50 blinds effective with the straddle and have aks. preflop is obviously fine

2) flop is obviously standard as is getting it in with basically any flop and a 1:1 spr.
you can get called by tons worse on that flop and that spr and fold out **** like pocket 8s when you whiff but there are 2 overs.

3)stop being results oriented

4) this hand is as basic as it gets and it still gave you trouble.
it's good to ask for help and learn- but stop worrying about tipping waitresses a dollar and worry more about your poker game.if this hand gives you trouble you have lots of other holes. the good thing is that means you can also improve a lot. stop worrying about the 3 dollars a night you might have to give a waitress and improve your game.

I had to check the date out of this thread. The content is straight out of 2006 50 blind party poker.