A local room just added a bbj, its weak starting at 1000-10000, its only been hit once so not sure. Its aces full of 10 minimum, pretty low standards so should be beat often.
Players are starting to say you should not chop if you have a pair higher than 10. I say if you dont want to chop with a good one then then dont chop any hand.
Also someone brought up some lotto sequence where two people both have aces full and they table them before you decide whether to table your quads...
Are they crazy or what LOL.

Ours is aces over tens beaten by quads and you have to use both cards (or your kicker ties for top kicker). If the board is AAKQA and you have AK you don't want to bet and fold out TT or JJ!

My casino allows a BBJ on a $4 pot and the jackpot is often $50k+ so it's common for a limp and run out or a chop to go through. Idk, the only thing is to avoid being one of those screwball who won't bet their hand for value bc they're scared of chasing away a JP. I've played for 11 years and only seen two hands quality while playing one in stud and on in O8 and both in tourneys. I'm convince that they are myths

They are taking ~$25 pr hour off of the table for the BBJ, so do anything you can to win the BBJ. Because of the odds being so high of hitting it, I consider it just another rake.

What makes it even worse where I play, is that they rake the pot even if there is no flop. That includes one for the BBJ [when it's $20] even though you had no chance of winning the BBJ since there was no flop.

Fortunately for me, I play where you are given a rebate of $50 if you are one of the 25 players with the most hours of play between 2am -10am, Mon-Thu. They also give a $50 rebate for the top 50, Mon-Thu during any hours.

Usually, at least where I play, when the jackpot is <100k, 50% of the rake goes to building the fund, 25% for the reserve fund & 25% for other promotions.

When it gets over 100k, it's 25% for the fund, 40% for the reserve & 35% for other promotions.

Lot of bad advice ITT.

Chasing bad beat by changing your style of play is -EV.

Using bad beat as another thing to consider when setting ranges of fish: +EV

In general, the times you are close to a bad beat postflop, you have a hand you're getting all in anyway. Don't overthink it.

Bad beat is not a reason to call off 20 percent of your stack pre with 43 suited, 33, etc.

BBJ is in place to attract suckers.

If it effects you and actually changes the way you play...

OMC 67 years old and playing since age 5.

(Obviously not in a casino at age 5 LOL)

I have been present twice in 62 years when aces full got cracked.

Once in a home game.

Once at the Stardust in the 1970's when I didn't even know they had a BBJ, but it was MY aces full and I won a few hundred (there was no BBJ drop at the time).

It's truly a rarity.

If we have one chance in a hundred thousand to win 50 grand our EV from the jackpot in any given hand is 50 cents. YMMV put your own numbers in there if you don't like mine.

We need to play like we would normally play.

We are not folding aces full anyhow.

We are not calling a large shove if we think we are beat or if we are drawing with insufficient odds.

Let's all go win a BBJ in our next session!

Villian 1 is an 60's reg. Typical reg. range. He is on the passive side. Opening his big pairs strongly. Saw him open JJ in EP previously for $15. Doesn't slowplay very often. He knows all about the BBJ.

Villian 2 unknown

$1/$2 9handed BBJ is quad eights beaten by better. Quads must be a pp. BBJ is $500k+ split 50%(loser),25%(winner),3.57% (table share)

Hero has KQ in MP

Villian 1 ($220) raises in EP to $7 (typical open raise in this game is $10-$15) 3 callers, Hero(covers) calls, V2 (240ish) calls on button.

Flop ($30): JT3
Villian 1 get's really excited and quickly looks away from board as flop comes out, he bets $40, hero has a monster draw and realizes he is 46% or something against a set, but he really thinks V1 has TT (possibly JJ) and Villian 1 is never getting away from a set on the turn regardless of what comes. If the board pairs on the turn his hand is ****. Hero is happy to let V2come along, so... hero calls, Villian 2 calls

Turn($149): T

V1 kind of flinches and checks, hero checks, V2 ships for $200, V1 calls, Hero believes he is drawing to 2 outs and $125000+ a fair percentage of the time. He does some math and calls.

Don't adjust your play.

Ask pre if you can "play it out" instead of chopping if you have a bbj holding. Most rooms have a codeword for this. For example one player says flamenco instead of chop.

If Villain has a boat instead of quads already, this does not apply:

"...Hero believes he is drawing to 2 outs and $125000+ a fair percentage of the time..."

How often is it quads and not a boat? I leave it to better minds than mine to say.

But let's make a guess.

As high as, say, 5%?

Two outs once is about 8% (close enough for this estimate).

How much is 125,000 * .05 * .08?

$500.

Plus we have 8% equity in the $549 already in the pot: $50

The thing is, if he has quads 1% of the time instead of 5% of the time, even considering the BBJ it's still somewhat -EV.

But who among us are NOT going to try for the $125K in this situation?

Suppose we fold and it comes and he had quads.

Might make us want to give up poker for good.

And surely it's something we will never be able to put out of our minds.

Never.

What's that worth?

One could argue that drawing to OESF is not really "adjusting our play".

I don't know too many players who would fold there, no matter what the math.

No no no.

3.57% would include all of the overpairs in his range, and I'm not that out to lunch.

Giving my readIMF abilities little credit and opening his range to (JJ,TT,JTsuited,33) TT is 10%.

Personally I would just give full weight to JJ as a fudge factor and range him on JJ,TT.

2 outs with one card to come is more like 4%.

$125000 x .1 x .04 minus $193= $293 EV

$125000 x .25 x .04 minus $193= $1043 EV

I'm supposed to add the pot to the $125000 but whatever.

Gambol and call.

Hiiiiyaaaaaa

Raise Flop.

Yes, yes, yes.

Some rooms have a promotional hourly high hand prize and I've seen some 1-2 tables massively expand their preflop calling ranges. You can usually tell because there is lots of excited conversation around the topic.

If I'm in a room with a massive prize because you need to lose with quad tens, then yeah, I'm not gonna blow people out of the pot on the flop when I flop quads on a JTT 2 suited board, but playing that hand max EV isn't going to be too different anyway.

The main point is, your prize equity at any point in a hand is typically way, way smaller than what people think it is, so changing your play is nearly always -EV.

As far as chopping the blinds goes, I never softplay. So, if somebody wants to play, I just tell them I don't check it down, it's either play or chop.

Agreeing to see a flop because you both acknowledge a big hand is one step too large toward muddied waters regarding fair play for me.

X2...don't alter your play to try and get lucky.

I no longer chop at all whether in a bbj room or not.