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01-27-2021 , 09:38 PM
1-2 game stacks about 300 per player

in this hand hero raises too small, but normally in this game would raise higher - but have tight image and want to play a hand, so opt for smaller raise side. But get three callers from SB.

hero KcKh in sb

3 limps (mp and lp) hero makes it 12, 3 callers (again normally raise higher but the way this game was going, felt that if raised to 18 or 20 would get 0 callers.

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flop Ad 7s Ts

hero?

h checks, checks through

turn 6d

hero?
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01-27-2021 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
1-2 game stacks about 300 per player

in this hand hero raises too small, but normally in this game would raise higher - but have tight image and want to play a hand, so opt for smaller raise side. But get three callers from SB.

hero KcKh in sb

3 limps (mp and lp) hero makes it 12, 3 callers (again normally raise higher but the way this game was going, felt that if raised to 18 or 20 would get 0 callers.

50

flop Ad 7s Ts

hero?

h checks, checks through

turn 6d

hero?

I’m confused. 2 or 3 limps? And why on earth would you ever raise smaller from the small blind of all places? This is the position to raise bigger.

And well, they all called for $12. Why is $18-$20 the number that they’d all fold? Why do you think they would fold so fast?

You can potentially bet flop to charge some hands. But you’d have to take an exploitative line and check fold any card that isn’t a K or maybe an A (depending on sizing). Other alternative is check calling or checking to bet a non T/9/8 river.


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01-27-2021 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
I’m confused. 2 or 3 limps? And why on earth would you ever raise smaller from the small blind of all places? This is the position to raise bigger.

And well, they all called for $12. Why is $18-$20 the number that they’d all fold? Why do you think they would fold so fast?

You can potentially bet flop to charge some hands. But you’d have to take an exploitative line and check fold any card that isn’t a K or maybe an A (depending on sizing). Other alternative is check calling or checking to bet a non T/9/8 river.


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3 limps sorry 2mp and 1lp limpers

based on gameflow (previous hands all limpers folded to this raise size) and image (hero had very snug image at this point) but yes wish I had raised more.
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01-27-2021 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
3 limps sorry 2mp and 1lp limpers



based on gameflow (previous hands all limpers folded to this raise size) and image (hero had very snug image at this point) but yes wish I had raised more.

You think you have a snug image. You don’t know it
1) they think you’re snug
2) how they will react to it.

You see people make terrible adjustments to players all of the time. How many times do you see a guy who is playing table LAG boss, opening like 50% of hands, and their amazing counter is to cold call K9o and fold on T63 when they miss? Literally the worst adjustment you can make.

For all you know, they don’t even notice you haven’t played a hand in an hour and will call widely. Or they’ll assume they can outplay the nit postflop and call with all sorts of trash. Or they’ll call because they have a feeling about this one and want to see a flop.

Stop overthinking preflop with a strong hand. Just take a tight range to war in a situation like this and make the same raise that you would with TT or AK.


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01-28-2021 , 12:03 AM
Agreed, good points thanks for the reply
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01-28-2021 , 05:23 AM
4 ways we have an easy check all 3 streets unless we bink a king.
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01-28-2021 , 06:57 AM
With 3 callers to a raise, someone has an ace. I'd just check/fold. If you feel you have to bet, then bet the flop. Nobody believes you have an ace on the turn because the average player would bet his pair of aces on the flop against the FD.
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01-28-2021 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Nobody believes you have an ace on the turn because the average player would bet his pair of aces on the flop against the FD.
This is what we want when we bet turn.
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01-28-2021 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
This is what we want when we bet turn.
Thank you. I think leading turn is profitable as any ace likely bets flop, thoughts?
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01-28-2021 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
Thank you. I think leading turn is profitable as any ace likely bets flop, thoughts?
Yeah, once the flop gets checked around i am betting turn for value at a high frequenzy.
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01-28-2021 , 01:07 PM
I love that somehow we can’t have the ace because an ace would’ve bet to protect his equity on the flop, yet everyone else who checked when they had an opportunity to protect their ace can still have it.

Turn is rarely a check fold. I don’t think you’ll see much sneaky checking on AT7tt with a set or two pair either, so we stand to have the best hand quite a lot here.


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01-28-2021 , 02:17 PM
Preflop is a mistake out of the SB. From the button this argument to avoid pushing everybody out can make sense. From the SB it's better to go ahead and push the limpers out then have the pot go multiway.

With 3 callers I'm already half given up on KK. Check flop and see what the action is. On turn I'm still not excited about my hand but I would put in a $25 bet and see if anybody calls. Mostly I'm looking for 1 call and then checking down river to see if they have better or worse. Once you check flop almost any pair will venture one call on the turn and most draws will stick around for a half pot bet.

This is given 3 generic 1/2 opponents. If opponents are tight/passive then just try to check it down. Opponents have too many AX that they won't bet and won't give up. If opponents are loose/aggro fish I expect to have the best hand more often and that they bet any better hands on the flop. With some very aggressive opponents I would be suspicious of why they didn't bet and expect they are trapping a lot.
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01-28-2021 , 04:32 PM
Check flop, check turn. Delay cbet is an option when flop check through but turn completed a straight and adds a flush draw, so chances are our bet willl not win us the pot immediately. We have to fold against a raise and may easily be bluffed on the river.

We don't have blockers to either flush.
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01-29-2021 , 12:44 AM
Grunch

Check again, call a small bet on turn but don't call again on river.

Someone has an A. It's ok, you'll have lots of aces in the other timelines when you got dealt the rest of your raise range. You'll even flop sets in those other timelines too. This is just not the part of the multiverse where you put much more money in the pot.
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01-29-2021 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Check flop, check turn. Delay cbet is an option when flop check through but turn completed a straight and adds a flush draw, so chances are our bet willl not win us the pot immediately. We have to fold against a raise and may easily be bluffed on the river.

We don't have blockers to either flush.
I'm sure in equilibrium this is true, but it's 1-2, we are MW, 3 players limp-called passively, nobody semibluffed on the flop and LLSNL generally call too often and barely ever bluffraise. If we bet and get raised, we are beat often enough to happily fold.

Meanwhile we can get value from FD's and all kinds of pair+gutshot type hands that might fold river. Clean up some bare gutters and setminers while we're at it.

Bet 30 ott, x/fold river. But mostly expect to see it go check/check and win.
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01-29-2021 , 05:03 AM
Not going to pile on pre flop mistake. Instead I'll point you to flop and turn and how much more challenging it became to play this hand having not raised bigger pre.

We want to make our lives as easy as possible and villains lives as tough as possible. No decision has been made in this hand thus far making villains lives difficult. In fact, they're on the verge of realizing their equity for cheap as possible, dam near freely.

AP, turn is still a x unless werr planning on b/f and/or bet turn and x/evaluate river. But mostly leaning giving up and moving on.

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01-29-2021 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Viral25
I'm sure in equilibrium this is true, but it's 1-2, we are MW, 3 players limp-called passively, nobody semibluffed on the flop and LLSNL generally call too often and barely ever bluffraise. If we bet and get raised, we are beat often enough to happily fold.



Meanwhile we can get value from FD's and all kinds of pair+gutshot type hands that might fold river. Clean up some bare gutters and setminers while we're at it.



Bet 30 ott, x/fold river. But mostly expect to see it go check/check and win.
Many many passive players (particularly in 1-3, 1-3) will x back the flop with an Ace, and call a bet instead of betting on their own.

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01-29-2021 , 11:58 AM
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Many many passive players (particularly in 1-3, 1-3) will x back the flop with an Ace, and call a bet instead of betting on their own.

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I would do this here with almost any A — works really well in games where people always expect you to bet an A, allowing you to really easily get two streets from second pair/etc, and happily call turn and river bets.
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