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04-03-2016 , 07:53 PM
$1/2 NLH.
Hero has AcAd in BB.
Effective stacks $142. LP villain raises 5, Hero raises $25 more, villain calls.

Flop 9h 8h 2h.
Pot size $65, effective stacks remaining $110
Hero checks with intention of check-raising any bet.
Villain bets $15.

Suggested line to take?
Opinion of the check on flop/other lines suggested?
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04-03-2016 , 08:22 PM
35ish flop shove non h turns would be my default.
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04-03-2016 , 08:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cAmmAndo
35ish flop shove non h turns would be my default.
Why would we want to give v odds to draw to flush? So raise 20$ to give v chance to catch a heart? This is lol bad!!!
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04-03-2016 , 08:35 PM
Never mind, your saying don't check and bet 35 on flop. Sorry.
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04-03-2016 , 08:49 PM
Yeah I like laying slightly bad odds to call for one card to the handful of AhXo hands and pps that have a small heart. And his range includes non heart hands that will call a bet without us committing.

I'm not really a fan of the c/r plan with these stacks. A meaningful c/r leaves undersized turn bets and commits us otf.
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04-03-2016 , 09:31 PM
check raise is too tricky. Just bet and call a shove.
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04-03-2016 , 09:35 PM
You checked with the intention of check raising any bet..so whats the problem? Stacks aren't that deep. Stick to the plan. Check raise all in.
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04-04-2016 , 03:54 AM
I like the "35ish flop shove non h turns" suggestion.

Also Mike's suggestion to stick with c/r plan after villain's bet.

Results:
I check-raised all in, he called with KhJh.
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04-04-2016 , 06:32 AM
You havent given us any reads on villian so I can't really comment on his play style.
Was there any limpers before it got to the villain?
He is in LP and raises 2.5xbb which seems very weak for a 1/2 game in general.
It feels like your 3 bet amount is huge and kind of turns your hane face up but you got called so hay why not.
I like the 35 cbet, I am not really a fan off the check/raise unless villian has a big liking of betting when people show weakness just for the fact that villian is more likely too take the free card a lot.
As played i am really not sure if i like the check raise or not, while the spr is 1ish and am happy to get my stack in.
I feel like this is a probe/blocking/see where i am at bet and villian would fold a lot of the time if raised.
Yeah got lucky and flopped the goods on you but I feel if he hits his K or J he is stacking you so just have to chalk this one up too variance
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04-04-2016 , 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanvliet
I like the "35ish flop shove non h turns" suggestion.

Also Mike's suggestion to stick with c/r plan after villain's bet.

Results:
I check-raised all in, he called with KhJh.
you got villain to commit his stack with a rookie hand, nicely done.
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04-04-2016 , 12:56 PM
I like the CR is this spot.

Lots of players would tell you to bet out and then if V shoves on you, to make a decision as to whether or not to call.

but when you CR, one - you give the chance to bluff at it and you make more money for whatever he bluffs at the pot.

two - your hand now looks more bluffy and you have a much greater chance for V to call you down light.

three - if V bets out really strongly on the flop, and by his description and possible range, you can now lay down your hand and lose the least possible amount of money without betting first on the flop.

as played, CR to 75. if he shoves, call. if he flats, shove all turns.

you could CR shove, but I think that making it 75ish looks more bluffy
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04-04-2016 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
check raise is too tricky. Just bet and call a shove.

no
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04-04-2016 , 01:34 PM
I don't mind this idea if we have some read that villain bluffs often - we aren't given that read here, so I went with a more standard line for a more standard type of (bad) player - one that makes many mistakes calling.
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