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08-29-2011 , 09:50 AM
I had a hand this weekend that I would like an opinion on. I have been really card-dead. In the past 2 hours, I think I have played about 5 hands that were not in the blinds. I have about $125 in front of me. It's 100 max buyin.

V1. BTN. Has me covered. clean cut white guy 30-40 years old. So far, has been very straight-forward. When he has raised, it has either been with a legit hand or not gone to showdown.

V2. BB. ~$75. Sat down recently and has been pretty quiet. Lower 20's, looks like he is straight out of Jersey Shore.

I'm UTG and raise to $10 with AA. Raises at this table have been 8-12. Given how many hands I have had to play, I'm not sure how many callers this is going to get me. Other people's raises have had plenty of callers. That last hand I raised (also UTG for $10) was called by only one person.

Folds around to V1 on the button. V1 thinks for 10 seconds or so, then starts counting chips. Looks like he counts out 30, but ultimately picks up just 10 and calls. I'm thinking that he either has AK or TT+ since he hasn't 3bet PF yet.

V2 calls.

Flop 998 with two (3 players, ~$30)

I'm not worried about V1 having a 9 or 88. I don't know much about V2. So, I bet $25. V1 raises to $75 without hesitating. V2 folds.

Now, I'm really confused about what V1 has. I don't have enough info on him yet to know if he would instaraise an overpair or FD+overcards with an unknown V2. What I have on him so far makes me think he would only raise here with a 9. Or, if I misinterpreted his PF actions to be stronger than he really was. With only $90 left behind, should hero shove or fold?
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08-29-2011 , 09:59 AM
For me this is an easy shove. His range includes all overpairs, flush draws, OESD's as well as possibly a 9 or pocket 8's, not to mention total air. We beat far more of his range than we are trailing to.
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08-29-2011 , 10:04 AM
snap ship

already put in 35 out of 125. with $80 out there your almost getting 2-1. It's too likely he has a scared over pair or draw vs having a 9.
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08-29-2011 , 10:07 AM
Yea, this seems like a fine spot for a shove. If he was thinking of raising preflop, then a 998 should be missing him completely. He likely has an overpair, or something like AK/AQ.

With only 60bb at stake, this seems like a fine flop to be getting this in.
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08-29-2011 , 10:27 AM
Grunch.

Few questions. Blinds 1/2? Also does villain have you covered?

Ez ship. We see overpairs the majority of the time. Probably jacks or tens as he hesitated pre and debated a raise. Either way we are shipping it and are almost always ahead. Also we have less than 65 bb tp start the hand so it doesn't matter anyway. We are always shipping our stack.
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08-29-2011 , 10:48 AM
Sorry, it is 1/2. I'll edit the OP to reflect that. Villain has me covered.

I snap shoved like everyone is suggesting. He had a 9 and I lost. I was fine with it at the time. I only started second guessing myself when reviewing the session. I guess it doesn't even really matter what he did before the flop. I'm shoving this 100% of the time for the reasons you guys have said.
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08-29-2011 , 10:50 AM
Ya no reason to ge results oriented. Ez shove and +ev
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08-29-2011 , 11:36 AM
I would have raised to the larger end of the spectrum preflop to make it slightly easier to get chips in by the turn.

With these low SPR flops and an overpair, we're pretty much already committed and thus our goal should be to get all the chips in by the turn, IMO. Therefore, I bet pot of $30 on the flop. With one caller, that'll make a $90 pot where we can then easily ship the remaining $85 on the turn. If someone has a 9, good for them.

ETA: And I just ship to the raise. Villain most likely has an overpair but I don't think there's anyway he's going to put in $75 and then fold when we put in the remaining $45.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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08-29-2011 , 12:08 PM
considering stack sizes this is a ship. If stacks were deeper I'm a fan of checking overpairs on paired boards in most cases. (think about it, any low stakes player w/trips checks the flop to try to check raise a large majority of the time, so a bet on a paired flop at low stakes is typically means the player has the other card for the pair i.e. "8" or an overpair.)
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08-29-2011 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I would have raised to the larger end of the spectrum preflop to make it slightly easier to get chips in by the turn.

With these low SPR flops and an overpair, we're pretty much already committed and thus our goal should be to get all the chips in by the turn, IMO. Therefore, I bet pot of $30 on the flop. With one caller, that'll make a $90 pot where we can then easily ship the remaining $85 on the turn. If someone has a 9, good for them.

ETA: And I just ship to the raise. Villain most likely has an overpair but I don't think there's anyway he's going to put in $75 and then fold when we put in the remaining $45.

GcluelessNLnoobG
The raise PF was $10 the only other raise I have made at this table was also $10 UTG. I decided to stick with that number.

There was never a question of whether or not Villain was folding to the shove. It was clear that he wasn't folding regardless of what he had. The only question was do I fold given that what I know of the villain leads me to believe that the only thing a villain would raise there would be a 9. I decided that I didn't have enough information to be sure about that.
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08-29-2011 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ddiggitynate
considering stack sizes this is a ship. If stacks were deeper I'm a fan of checking overpairs on paired boards in most cases. (think about it, any low stakes player w/trips checks the flop to try to check raise a large majority of the time, so a bet on a paired flop at low stakes is typically means the player has the other card for the pair i.e. "8" or an overpair.)
If stacks are deep, I do consider folding to his raise.
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08-29-2011 , 01:04 PM
Grunch

Come on man? Is this a level or did you just get your aces cracked and want to complain?

If this is a serious post then its an auto shove but i feel like i just got played.
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08-29-2011 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by stevepra
The only question was do I fold given that what I know of the villain leads me to believe that the only thing a villain would raise there would be a 9.
The villain could easily be raising KK/QQ/JJ/TT (which also matches up with our read of his preflop actions, although this is irrelevant due to stack sizes IMO), all of which he might think are good here (and realizes that once he calls the flop bet he's probably committed, thus he might as well raise/push).
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08-29-2011 , 03:15 PM
snap ship because of shallow stacks, I've seen villains turn up w/ draws and lower overpairs just as much as 9x, 88
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08-29-2011 , 03:23 PM
zero chance the guy has 88 or 9x. 99% of players would flat call and slow play. 3x raise = AK/AQdd or an over pair. Just ship it in, this is exactly the situation you want.

results?
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08-29-2011 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stevepra
I had a hand this weekend that I would like an opinion on. I have been really card-dead. In the past 2 hours, I think I have played about 5 hands that were not in the blinds. I have about $125 in front of me. It's 100 max buyin.

V1. BTN. Has me covered. clean cut white guy 30-40 years old. So far, has been very straight-forward. When he has raised, it has either been with a legit hand or not gone to showdown.

V2. BB. ~$75. Sat down recently and has been pretty quiet. Lower 20's, looks like he is straight out of Jersey Shore.

I'm UTG and raise to $10 with AA. Raises at this table have been 8-12. Given how many hands I have had to play, I'm not sure how many callers this is going to get me. Other people's raises have had plenty of callers. That last hand I raised (also UTG for $10) was called by only one person.

Folds around to V1 on the button. V1 thinks for 10 seconds or so, then starts counting chips. Looks like he counts out 30, but ultimately picks up just 10 and calls. I'm thinking that he either has AK or TT+ since he hasn't 3bet PF yet.

V2 calls.

Flop 998 with two (3 players, ~$30)

I'm not worried about V1 having a 9 or 88. I don't know much about V2. So, I bet $25. V1 raises to $75 without hesitating. V2 folds.

Now, I'm really confused about what V1 has. I don't have enough info on him yet to know if he would instaraise an overpair or FD+overcards with an unknown V2. What I have on him so far makes me think he would only raise here with a 9. Or, if I misinterpreted his PF actions to be stronger than he really was. With only $90 left behind, should hero shove or fold?
grunch:

raise bigger pre... we have to play entire hand OOP and people have not noticed that you are playing tight or are card dead.... raise to 15

as played.... we start the hand with 62bbs... we have an overpair we just bet on a 988 flop and got raised.... dream situation... smash it in... pay of his 8, and reload.... but yah- should you be folding an overpair to a raise with a starting stack of 60 bbs... nope
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08-29-2011 , 09:36 PM
grunch. shove- he has overpair most of the time
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08-30-2011 , 10:30 AM
You guys are all right. I even knew it at the time. It was only while reviewing the session that I leveled myself into thinking that I had some real read on the guy, and maybe I should have folded. He had a 9 this time. Good for him. I didn't have nearly enough info on villain to be sure about what he would raise with there. Thanks, guys
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