hero utg 225 effective 1/3 game very tight table all folds any open pf

V in bb just sat down covers me

Hero opens 15 utg with AsAd fold to bb who calls

Flop comes 99Q two clubs hero bets 30 v raises to 60 hero calls

Turn its a 5 club v leads 75 hero jams for 150 v calls

River is a 2 of clubs

will post results after comments. Where is my mistake on how this was played

Sometimes AA is just destined to lose a big pot. Since it's a tight table, $15 preflop is OK, though I would prefer $20.

Why did you choose to make a PSB on the flop? I mean, it's a tight table, so what's going to call that you beat? I know you can't size it down much, but still. I'd go $20.

I'm guessing V had a 9.

[QUOTE=JayKon;57084582]Sometimes AA is just destined to lose a big pot. Since it's a tight table, $15 preflop is OK, though I would prefer $20.

Why did you choose to make a PSB on the flop? I mean, it's a tight table, so what's going to call that you beat? I know you can't size it down much, but still. I'd go $20.

I'm guessing V had a 9.[/QUOTE

I suggest you edit out those results until more people can respond

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i don't see how you're possibly ahead here, he either has a nine or just completed his flush and outside of hitting a boat you're likely done

cry fold on turn imo but given spr am ok with the punt

your range includes all the AA/KK/AQ type hands that like this board and check minraising on the flop screams he has the nine - at worst he's donking away with a flush draw which connects on the turn

If the game is this nitty, get on table change for one. And raise wider ranges and for smaller sizings than 5x for second.

Way too big on flop. Calling the raise is fine but I’m expecting to get stacked a lot here.

Turn jam is just bad. You have to fold. Not sure what hands you’re hoping to see here


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You want to open utg for 6.6bb? It's 1/3 not 2/5.

Pre flop raise size is fine. Personally I go 4bb but let's be realistic, if they're calling 4bb they're calling 5bb.

You should be betting smaller on the flop. I would bet 15. As played turn is just a fold. Unless the guy is drunk or known to be a maniac you just have to fold.

Were ahead sometimes. But we're beat a ton and in the long run it's much better to fold this spot ime

There are a lot of 1/3 games that routinely have $15, $20 and $25 opens. Not sure why, but it's common. I like it, but then I know how to play postflop.

I would have sized down on the flop to 20, but that is minor. Can't fold on the flop to a raise. However, the turn is an easy fold. The FD came in, which was a major part of what his bluffing range was.

V ending up showing j3 off with the j of clubs

I'm not sure the turn raise accomplishes anything since a tight player will just call you with 9's and flushes. You can maybe get called by AQ with the A of clubs but thats really the only hand you are beating that calls.

Honestly if V is truly a nit I think you can just fold this turn.

I would go $10 otf, turn is a snap fold

Based on things I've seen you post that is very much up for debate.

If you are good postflop then you don't need to open huge and reduce spr. The more skilled player should want higher sprs for obvious reasons

OK, you have some foundation for that. I freely admit I'm not that good of a player (and have admitted it multiple times), but make a serious effort to only play against worse players. That way, I can play better than most and avoid, or nit up against those better than me.

In fact, my statement about playing in 1/3 games with $15-$25 opens is consistent with that. I seek those games out because I can play better post-flop than the field. And, I might add, do rather well for myself in the process. It's also why I play 1/3 and not 2/5, not enough players worse than I am.

It's not how good you are in absolute terms, it's how good you are against who you're playing against.

I limp in EP but that's me. If raising, any chance of making it slightly larger just so we can be much more comfortable stacking off? As played, we ended up with an SPR of 7 (one we won't feel comfortable stacking off too and yet he could make us do so by donking 3 reasonable bets), but we also ended up in position (not sure if expected, but it often enables us to easily get in a pot control check back which brings stacks out of play), so decent result.

I don't want to commit at this SPR / preflop IO we gave him, so I'd lean to checking back the flop. This basically gets stacks out of play and makes subsequent bets easier to get paid off / sets up easy bluffcatching line. If betting, there is no reason to bet a large PSB (again, this really starts getting stacks in play which in general I would like to avoid against most in this spot). Facing the check/raise sucks; against some I might even make a nitty fold here, but mostly I just play to avoid this spot and setup an easier more manageable line.

Horrendous turn as now the main semi-bluff got there. Why are we jamming? This is mostly just going to fold out worse and get snapped by better. The only hand we're really targetting is an aggro JT with a club (and I'll let you decide how often we should be defaulting that line to an unknown player). I would mostly just fold as played.

I mostly think we overvalued our hand on every postflop street in a spot where preflop didn't set us up for a comfortable commitment spot.

ETA: A also think that in general when not committed we should be eyeing to get to showdown with our good showdownable hands. Sometimes this will come at some cost of value / equity protection, although sometimes we make up for that by getting value on later streets (thanks to early weakness setting up bluffcatchers / value), but the huge benefit of getting to showdown / realizing our equity / staking our claim to the pot can't be undervalued. Especially against unknowns. Checking back the flop puts us on a much easier path to this showdown plan, imo.

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I think it has to do with most casinos/cardrooms using $1 & $5 chips (cheques) and a fair number of 1/3 players are also playing any of the $5BB games, so a $5 chip exactly correlates to a BB. When I used to play 1/1/2 at Lucky Chances, getting a rack of white $1 & 5 black $20 chips made me much more conscious of pre-flop bet sizing.

Long story short, I agree that I find a lot of 100BB max buy-in 1/3 games playing more like $5BB games with 66.7BB starting stacks; at places where you can buy-in 200BB+ I don't feel a lot of difference than if I were in $5BB game, with advantage that some weak 1/3 players are in a game with more money in front of them.

I'm betting flop more like $10 or $15. Calling flop raise is fine, you can just go ahead and fold turn without the A since all the FDs got there as well as 9x.

Villain must be a gto wizard :O

Bad beat post, ban OP