Spoiler: H almost vomits in his mouth at the end of the hand.


V1 ($300)- splashy 65 year old fish. Calls light preflop. Any two cards with an ace or a king. Any suited cards. Plays passively postflop. Playing every pot and always shows his hand when he folds. Slowly keeps losing $200 over and over again. Drunk. 75/25/1
V2 ($600) OMC. 65 years old. Not playing many hands relative to four others at the table. 20/8/2
V3 ($300)- incredibly terrible and it was apparent from the third or fourth hand. 30 years old. Overvalued every hand he had. He lost$600 in about an hour. 75/20/5


H ($500) just sat down 10 hands ago or so and played maybe the most interesting hand of a 10 hour session

OTTH: Hero is dealt AhAs UTG and raises to $15. Standard open seemed to be $10 to $12 in the first few hands.

V1 calls MP. V3 calls HJ. V2 calls on Button.

Flop 4h4d5d ($54 after rake)

Hero checks (thought?). V1 - $11 which deviates from his passive play checking 90% of flops. V2 folds. V3 calls. H? Hero is at this point completely lost in the hand. Assume a flush draw, maybe a four by either player. Raise to $60? Call? This mix of players put me in a blender.

Bet flop would be my default play, but checking is fine to mix in, I think. AP, I think I would CR flop. They overvalue hands, and overpairs here seem like very logical candidates. Any face card on the turn might kill action vs. 88 and similar, so let's get while we can. If someone has a 4, it's just gonna be costly. Certainly possible, but just one of many possibilities.

Normally bet this flop. It's an obvious one for a c-bet even 4 ways so you should also bet your value. As played the situation is weirdly annoying. Raising V1's flop trivial bet seems obvious but your going to have to raise hard. You need to make it $50/$60 to charge draws and doing that is likely to limit villains to good draws and 4X hands. I'm tempted to call and bet a brick turn but if hero does that hero also gives up the chance of making much money. Given that V1 and V3 both have low SPR I guess just going for it is better. Raise to $60 and assume any calls/raises are draws. This is where villains with wide ranges make variance high. There is a greater chance they have a 4 or have 55 they a regular player but they have so many draws and bad hands you can't assume they have a big one.

Betting the flop gives people who "overvalue every hand" a chance to put money into the pot. Give these terrible villains a chance to make mistakes. It will look like a normal c-bet and they might put you on AK. Plus, a turn bet will look natural.

As played, I'd just flat the flop bet and hope for a good turn card. If you're going for the slow play, you might as well follow through with it.

This is a board where you’re just gonna have to call down if you don’t improve and they donk three streets. Raising doesn’t accomplish much of anything in a spot where they’re never folding a better hand and you don’t really need to protect your equity. Would be a different story with QQ or JJ, but here I’m just calling down, and possibly folding the River.

AA is fine to check her multi-way

For this small sizing you can raise small and continue betting and non diamond but if this type of player shows any more aggression it sounds like a clear fold based on his description

OTTH:

H chooses low variance and calls $11 to reevaluate the turn. ($85)

Turn is not good. 4h4d5d 9d.

Hero checks. V1 talks a lot and bets $25. V3 calls $25 after 10 seconds. H?

I talk myself into calling, folding a lot of rivers to more betting. Probably the best thing to do to river an Ace.

Mucks. Facing a bet and call, I wouldn't continue. You could be behind in so many ways and ahead in not so many.

I'm not good enough to fold an OP getting 5:1 Call. If somebody has a big hand, they will bomb to river and you can fold.

i like how you're playing this hand and would call the turn.

I probably bet the flop small but I have no real qualms with the way you’ve played it.

River action?

OTTH: I took about ten seconds. Venice and WereBeer you summed up collectively exactly what went through my head.

H calls. ($160)

River: Please Ad. Please Ad. please Ad. 4h4d5d 9d. 7s. Please check through. Please check through.

H considers a $40 blocker bet (thoughts?) for about 3 seconds and checks. V1 checks and his body language tells me I am possibly ahead. Probably ahead. His body language possibly gave so much away to V2. V2 looks like he is about to check. Wait why is he pausing so long. And he goes to his 6 stacks. Pulls one from near the back and slides forward one stack of twenty-two $5 chips. H?




Spoiler: the point where H almost throws up in his mouth is coming soon.

I'm just folding at this point with the millionth nuts. It's multiway. Villain has called bets on all streets and now leads out. We lose to trips which lose to straights which lose to flushes which lose to boats which lose to quads. Not sure what I call with but it's not two pair.

EZ fold

I'm fine with how you got here.

Mandatory fold. You played the hand very well on all streets assuming you fold here.

We could call this if V1 bet and V2 folded. But to call V2’s bet (with a guy to act after you) is suicidal.

I actually don’t hate leading out on the River with a blocking bet (and folding to a raise). It would be crazy for someone to bluff with this runout so you’re only getting raised if you’re beat, and if you know you won’t be capable of check-folding the River, this is a cheaper way to find out if you’re beat.

Fold river.

You’re most likely not going to be good against V1 who bet flop and turn (unless he has KK or QQ) and don’t beat anything from V2s value range. So the only way to win the pot here is if V1 folds and V2 was bluffing except for the few situations where V1 calls with the aforementioned KK/QQ or something along those lines.

I’m not good enough to fold the river given these live reads. If you think V2 was contemplating checking, I call because I don’t expect an overcall. If you think he was hollywooding then obv I fold but you beat all 2 pair.

In a vacuum I fold but not with your description.

I have been debating how i want to play AA on boards like this,

I think in general if you check they can over value lots of pocket pairs that you can get value from, with plenty of straight draws and flush draws I think betting here is justified too and not worried as much about losing big pot vs. trips if it were 663 rainbow i would prefer a check i think.

I played a pot recently were i checked AA on a paired board with flush draw and i just let someone realize a flush cheap and payed him off. I think against tough opponents its nice to balance the check line with a strong hand like AA, but these opponents maybe bet bet check is in order.

I also think my c-bet line tends to be trips or marginal hands on this type of board so I'm going to mix my strong overpairs into check and bet instead of default checking on paired boards. GTO taught me paired boards WAWB spot check AA is good, but I'm deciding i need to be more willing to bet these hands at low stakes when people are going to chase draws on a paired board and over value 66-TT too much. especially on a paired board that is as connected as it gets.

OTTH:

H almost levels himself into a call. Then reminds that every time the gut says fold and instead listen to “pot odds are too good to fold AA here” OMC never bluffs. Sometimes overvalues, but never bluffs. So after 15 or 30 seconds of thought I did not see what he could be overvaluing and if he chose to bluff then so be it.

H Folds.

Now V1 begins to tank. And talk. So much talking. Drunken talking. And he flips over KdKs and asks V2 if he can beat this. And H gets sick to his stomach. GG posts immediately come to H mind like a baseball bat to face. Limp AA from early position the nightmare says. Limp it. H realizes if H had just listened to some advice he heard on 2+2 poker gods would help H.

V1 ultimately folds saying I know you got this beat. V2 doesn’t show. Says ya I could beat that. I believed him. Maybe he has 1010, JJ or QQ. Those are the only three hands we could possibly have been ahead of. H may ask V2 later another day.

Have you played with these V’s before?

Or were the descriptions arrived at after playing a 10hr session.

10 hands definitely wouldn’t amount to that much information.



Just curious as it’s important to have the descriptions of the V’s at the time the hand happens.

OOP against loose passive players with paired boards and draws getting there + multi-way = small ball poker.

I think you played it well regardless of info on V’s.

Especially when there will be better times when you have 2p+ and can go hard on value.

V2 yes. But I dont really remember him. My read on all three villains after 10 hands was confirmed by the time they all left the table. All within the next few hours.

At 1/3 and 1/2 70-80% of players I can figure out after 2 orbits. 10-20% after an hour or two. 10% are either a lot better than me or at least are playing a game that is not eSy to figure out how to go about playing against them.

I am confused. Was the villain that bet the 20/8 guy or the terrible 30 year old?

Because if it's the former, the fold is trivial. If it's the second, it's probably a call and you 're good a lot of the time.