Hero - 37 White Male. At this point in session (2 hours), I have moved my stack up to $300 from $200 with a couple of smaller pots. Stabbing on dry flops. Tight to loose aggressive image.

Villain - Button 40 Black Male College Sweatshirt. $100 stack. Just showed up 5 mins ago.


UTG limps
Hero (cutoff) raises to $11 with AhAd
4 players call including UTG limper.

Flop 7h 6h 4s ($55)


5 ways, I am not loving this flop. I have the A of hearts but this definitely hits my opponents range much more often than mine.

While considering what to do, I pick up a live tell on the Villain on the button. He sat up in his chair and looked at his chips immediately after seeing the flop. It is pretty obvious he has a good hand but obv we don't know how good.

Villain on button bets $25 with $64 behind.

Folded to Hero. Hero????

What range do you put him on? I would simply plug this into Equilab and check my equity vs. getting stacks in, but considering this is an unknown shortstack in a low stakes live game, I find it difficult to imagine this is not a snap shove.

His range must be huge. Any PP up to TT. SC 23s-QJ Unsuited connectors 67-QJ. I think it is obvious that he hit this flop. Based on the live tell, I would narrow to include only pairs plus FD/SDFD combos/2 pair/Sets/Maybe overpairs.

With the dead money and even with this moderate to strong range I think it is a call.

Too tired to stove it tonight. If anyone feels up to it feel free. GN GL

If that range is right I don't think we need to stove it to know it's a shove, and physical tells are unreliable.

I'm not sure why this is a thread. It's got to be one of the easier decisions of the night?

Just for giggles:

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Board: 764
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UTG****41.10%**39.90%***1.20%*{ AdAh }
UTG+1**58.90%**57.70%***1.20%*{ TT, 77-44, 76s, 64s, 53s, Th9h, Th8h, 9h8h, Kh5h, Qh5h, Kh4h, Qh4h, 5h4h, 4h3h, 76o }
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It only took 1/4 of overpairs 88-JJ to make it a call against an otherwise super tight range.

Snap shove and it's not even close.

I think this is a common event in low stakes that may be able to help people. I try to post 3 to 4 hands that will help players.

As for your analysis, I think it is a snap shove as well.

Call and reevaluate on the turn

Yea good post because this sort of thing happens so often. I like shove needing 37.5% or so but Im wondering what people would do without the Ah?

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If we call... on the turn the pot is $105 with $65 behind. I didn't even consider calling and evaluating the turn. Why do you prefer this?

Without the Ah it is an easier shove because his range gets wider with hands that are behind us

Dump it, find a better spot.

Standard stack off vs a short stack.

Small thing: raising to $11 led to a 5 way flop. Having been at the table a couple hours, maybe this was an anomaly, but, bigger preflop. UTG limpers often have a strong-ish holding, and the button and blinds are yet to act, so a little bigger should still get some action but probably not 5 way.

Because I'm not totally sure he calls if you shove unless he's ahead.

Calling may also slow your opponent down since he's shortstacked.

Yeah, pre is too small. 15+, especially with limpers. Seeing a flop 5-way with AA is a collossal disaster.

We've only got $11 invested, we're throwing up a little in our mouth already because we're multi-way, and this guy jumps 3ft on a super wet board. I'm inclined to let this go, make a disciplined lay-down. Go with your read.

ugh. nasty spot. fold and call it a wrap for your session. **** never goes right after you start getting aces cracked by short stacking fish.

AP I Like check/shoving here due to the tell. His range is huge here. Larger PF raise for sure. Without the live tell I think there is some merit to bet calling here as we lose value and control if it gets checked behind.

Agreed. I hated having the Ah here.

I never considered folding. Vs his entire range and the dead money why would you fold?

$11 was somewhat high for this table at that time. My standard is $6 to $7. In this game, $15 might have lost 1 more player but most are in for a penny in for a pound.

If what you say is true then I would be more inclined to make sure the raise will make it heads up or 3 way. I'd much rather make it 15 and have 3 callers, increasing the overall SPR than 11 with 4 players.

This sounds easy but ultimately in live games there are so many dynamics controlling the opening size. Yes, you would like to thin the field with AA but raising $15 instead of $11 doesn't guarantee this.

Many 1/2 players don't feel the monetary pain threshold until the $20 range.

Also, raising larger pre doesn't help us solve this problem. If 1 player that would have called had folded, the pot size is still about the same and the same actions would have likely occurred.

IMO, Dude's range here will be any FD, any 5x hand, sets, 2p, straights, and overpairs.

If he has some combo hand like SD+FD, we are a slight dog. Obv we are screwed if he has a straight or set, and 2p wouldn't be good for us either.


How are we REALLY doing against his range? I don't have stove on phone....



And considering V just sat, and bought in for $100, does not necessarily mean he's a fish (someone already labeled him as a fish, with no info). I think he probably is, but we don't know.


And he sits up in his chair, looks like he is very pleased with community cards. This is also a bad sign for us. What does this V get excited about having in this hand?




We have 1p. We can only beat a semi bluff, or some overpair (overpair is probably least likely considering reads, IMO). It might be conservative, but we have $11 invested, and we aren't very strong. We could fold here......


Either you ship it, or you fold. I am ok with either, but I lean towards folding. I just don't think we are ever ahead by much (if at all). And if we're behind, we're probably really really behind.

Considering the $55 dead money pre-flop is a big deal here. If we get it in on the flop, we are risking $100 to win $155.


Does the wetness of the board make a call correct here (Browni already stoved above)???????

I was really thinking opening 17 or 18 earlier, but just went with "15+".

And yes, it is different. You say yourself "Many 1/2 players don't feel the monetary pain threshold until the $20 range". Well, that's kinda the point. We want them to feel the pain. We don't want PITA SC's and baby pockets merrily chipping in for the ride, we want to thin it down to larger pockets and broadways so we can get paid off by TPGK or overpair type hands.

Some people seem to be implying that the A of hearts helps us. It doesn't because of how it affects the villains range. DUCY?