I just sat down at the table and I get AA in SB after folding like 5 hands.

5 limps to me
I make it $16 in SB
100BB effective
Only 1 player calls - and a player to my left said he is a donkey.

Flop is 865x

I bet out $20
He raises to $50

I don't really like this spot and have no hand range for him as he is a complete unknown and this smashes his limp calling range so I folded. Thinking back on it i'm not sure if this was the correct move.

do you have the A?

Pre-flop, $16 is not enough. $20-$22.

I probably call flop getting nearly 4:1 and check/decide turn (fold to a reasonable bet). Lots of interesting things can happen with turn card and action, and I think you get more check backs then you expect from hands like 89, 87, 77, draws, other pairs, etc.

Often this raise is going to be too small pre flop and we will end up going 5 ways to flop.
But it seems that we got a pretty decent result here. We got a 3 way pot, with a small SPR.

Generally, I'm probably going to stack off here. This board is pretty wet, and there are a lot of sets in his range, but also some 99/77/87s, pair+fd, fd+sd, and other combos that we can can make a +EV play by just sticking it in here.

If we have the A then I think it's much more a shove as we have a bd draw worht almost 4%.

iraisetoomuch, youreadtoofast.

Heads up and SPR is > 9.

What was the callers position?

I re-raise on the flop with plans to gii, especially if I have the As. He could have tons of draws.

Oops. I read too fast.

SPR > 4.

no i did not have the A of spades.

The caller was mid position +1

It was not a 3way pot - it was heads up

It is a pretty tough spot for AA with out the ace of spades

i think it's better for you to not have the A, that allows V to have FDs that include the A.

because of that, i probably wouldn't fold. calling or raising would depend on my impression of the V.

yea,I shove it

I shove it in before he even finishes cutting out the $50 in chips and don't care if he calls or folds because this is going to be a profitable line long-term.

With effective stacks of 100 BB's, this seems like a pretty easy shove against an unknown 1/2 player.

I like this line of thinking.
With 100bb stacks, I don't fold AA HU against an unknown on this board with this action. His range here could be super wide and include all sorts of pair and draw combos.

If you have the A spade, you have a back door out. If you don't, it's more likely he has it and is on a draw. Either way, I'm continuing. I don't know if I raise the flop, but I don't fold. I might call, and plan to continue unless an obvious dirty card hits the turn.

Also: even though this got HU from the preflop raise, I think raise a little bigger pre. Five limps, so there's 12 in the pot. Your raise is about a pot size bet but with five potential opponents, I'd make it a little bigger.

One thing to note too about 5 limpers is that the likelihood of someone calling a sick overbet goes up because there are 5 people in the hand and 5 people who can make a big mistake. In a lot of 1/2 games you can probably pop it to like 35 or 40 here and get called. 16 is like a standard 1/2 open raise, I'm raising at least 25 in this spot but a lot of times I'm immediately fast playing this for fat value in this spot.

The benefit of bumping it huge too is you snap fold out the small pockets you are worried about on this board and you get called by garbage broadway cards that are drawing near dead against your AA much more easy when they put you on a steal attempt and see their KJ as the pre-flop nuts.

Lol

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If indeed he is a donkey, he can be betting TPTK/GK, a smallest overpair, or in the worst case of donkeyness, two pairs. Not need of sophistication betting a flush…

This is the kind of hands people go broke in 1/2. I wonder, if somebody can tell the experiences with donkeys: They donk more or try to trap more? (The question can be self-answered)

wtf shoving is horrible here. We never get called by worse. Even when we do get called by worse, it's going to be hands that have some equity, like 77, 99, etc.

Just call and play the turn.