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09-19-2011 , 09:51 PM
Hollywood Park Casino
1/3 NLHE- Cash

Player 8 (SB) $360
Player 9 (BB) $125
Player 1 (UTG) $160
Player 2 (UTG +1) $15
Player 3 (MP) $500
Player 4 (MP2) $<60
HERO (HJ) $150
Player 6 (CO) $130
Player 7 (BTN) $100

UTG+1 ships $15, basically making a 5x opening raise to the rest of us. V1 player 4 calls, I call in the HJ with AA hoping to make a back raise when someone tries an isolation rasie to pick up the blinds and dead money and to get heads up against one opponent who is already all in. Unfortunately, this doesn’t happen as the V2 BB just calls. The pot is now $60 . I discount the UTG hand because she let her stack dwindle to 5BB. The villains could be on ATC suited connectors, small pps, and some suited broadway hands.

The flop comes Qc Jc 7s. A pretty wet flop, not exactly what I’m looking for multi-way. V1 checks, V2 checks, and I fire out $30.

Am I asking for trouble here? Should I have 3bet pre to like $35-40 range? I def don’t think checking is an option since there are so many drawing hands and scare cards that could come. Any K, T, 9 or club is bad. Knowing that there is another player all in does this change the dynamic of the hand in terms of ppl being more willing to check it down or should I just try to punish perceived weakness. My read is that they might have a draw or one pair that they could be more likely to fold knowing the pot is going to showdown and that I have shown additional strength.

Last edited by gcizzle; 09-19-2011 at 09:51 PM. Reason: accuracy
AA with one AIPF Quote
09-19-2011 , 09:55 PM
Raise to $40 preflop, you overestimate the chance that someone puts in a 3-bet behind you.

As played, bet $45/call flop and jam most turns. Actually, considering stack sizes, I would just jam the flop.
AA with one AIPF Quote
09-19-2011 , 10:09 PM
Why would you assume someone is going to iso raise when another player is all in?
Fancy plays like this get you in trouble or in your case lead to lost value.

You have no specific reads on any of the villains, so just bet your hand for value at 40-50

Do you have the Ac?
AA with one AIPF Quote
09-19-2011 , 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gcizzle
Am I asking for trouble here? Should I have 3bet pre to like $35-40 range?
yep
AA with one AIPF Quote
09-19-2011 , 10:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gcizzle
Hollywood Park Casino
1/3 NLHE- Cash

Player 8 (SB) $360
Player 9 (BB) $125
Player 1 (UTG) $160
Player 2 (UTG +1) $15
Player 3 (MP) $500
Player 4 (MP2) $<60
HERO (HJ) $150
Player 6 (CO) $130
Player 7 (BTN) $100

UTG+1 ships $15, basically making a 5x opening raise to the rest of us. V1 player 4 calls, I call in the HJ with AA hoping to make a back raise when someone tries an isolation rasie to pick up the blinds and dead money and to get heads up against one opponent who is already all in. Unfortunately, this doesn’t happen as the V2 BB just calls. The pot is now $60 . I discount the UTG hand because she let her stack dwindle to 5BB. The villains could be on ATC suited connectors, small pps, and some suited broadway hands.

The flop comes Qc Jc 7s. A pretty wet flop, not exactly what I’m looking for multi-way. V1 checks, V2 checks, and I fire out $30.

Am I asking for trouble here? Should I have 3bet pre to like $35-40 range? I def don’t think checking is an option since there are so many drawing hands and scare cards that could come. Any K, T, 9 or club is bad. Knowing that there is another player all in does this change the dynamic of the hand in terms of ppl being more willing to check it down or should I just try to punish perceived weakness. My read is that they might have a draw or one pair that they could be more likely to fold knowing the pot is going to showdown and that I have shown additional strength.
The most likely time I limp AA pre flop is UTG at a table where there is almost always a pre flop raiser. Doing it in the hijack is something I would never do. So raise pre flop.

As played I just make my life easy as I reach for my wallet. Shove. Anyone with a draw or a queen will be calling you (at least at the games I play in).
AA with one AIPF Quote
09-20-2011 , 01:47 AM
3bet pre. Shove flop. Ez game.
AA with one AIPF Quote
09-20-2011 , 12:21 PM
If we were first to act after the all-in, I wouldn't hate a limp/reraise play. But with another shortstack caller already involved and us in LP (thus few behind us to act and raise), I just ship preflop. Lol at shortstacker calling off 25% of his stack here, awesome, he's ******ed, good chance he'll wtf-call-off the remains of his stack.

As played... just like your other post, we've got a small SPR (< 2) on a drawy flop with TP. The only plan that should be in our head at this point is to get the chips in as fast possible. I probably bet an amount to put the shortstack villain all-in (around $45) and then ship the rest on the turn (calling any raises).

GcluelessNLnoobG
AA with one AIPF Quote
09-20-2011 , 01:26 PM
3-bet enough to put the <$60 caller AI PF. As played, lead $40 OTF.

Try to avoid over-thinking your play. There are 2 players with less than 20 bbs in the hand and one of them called 25% of their stack PF and are now checking OTF. You likely have the best hand, bet for value.
AA with one AIPF Quote
09-20-2011 , 03:30 PM
Thanks for the comments.

I understand the reasoning behind reraising preflop and know I should t slow play but inevitably I end up doing it at least once a session and lose value from it. I know if I 3bet pre and somoeone else calls and hits there Q or J then I might get their stack, but just flatting doesnt get enuff into the pot for the others to be invested. A reraise pre is probably the best play, even if ppl fold I can then show that I 3bet wit AA and ppl will be less likely to play back at me the next couple times I 3bet.

As far as it was played, I fired $30 on the flop and everyone folded the all in person had 88 and I won the hand but lost some value probably.
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