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AA Facing huge river bet - is this always a fold? AA Facing huge river bet - is this always a fold?

07-03-2023 , 01:56 AM
1/2 Effective stacks $550 with main villain (MP)

Open AcAd BTN $13 over 2 limps, SB ($250 effective) calls, MP limper calls

SB is loose fish, MP accumulated chips with big pairs and getting lucky and paid off- attempted bluff earlier with 77 on 8 10 10 turn 2 river 8 on river and got it through.

Flop 2 h 4 h Qs

SB checks, MP donks $15, Hero raises to $45, SB folds, MP attempted to reraise but calls my $45 first then reaches back for more chips. Due to string raise it was just a call.

Turn 4d MP checks, hero checks for pot control

River Kc MP checks again, hero bets tiny $45 for value against Qx hands and surprisingly gets x/r to $245.

Leveled myself into thinking MP had KQ hh and called off with AA. Is river always a fold?
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07-03-2023 , 02:02 AM
why raise the flop and turn your hand face up so early in the hand?
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07-03-2023 , 02:23 AM
Charge all heart draws - it was a small donk lead relative to the size of the pot (pot was $40)

and he bet $15 which is usually indicative of a weak FD or a Qx type of hand
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07-03-2023 , 02:37 AM
River raises IME are usually nutted and this sizing makes it an easy fold for me.

I prefer to flat the flop donk IP. I'm going to raise somewhere if he tries to bet tiny on all streets.
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07-03-2023 , 02:46 AM
last time I checked aces and fours are better than kings and queens. is your hh correct? You beat any of his 2p and only lose to his boats and trip fours, which he should rarely have.


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07-03-2023 , 04:58 AM
What is your normal open raise size? 13 seems small over 2 limps. I might go 15 or 20, but I know that will still get callers where I play 1/2.

River is a standard call. It is so hard for him to have a boat and he can have KQ.

Don't open action back up on the river to bet small. If you are in position on river. You are usually going to want to be betting 60% of the pot or more. Otherwise, you are just opening yourself up to getting raised and vloen off your hand.

I think I would bet turn honestly as the 4 reduces his flopped sets. If he has Q4, 42, or 22, it's just too bad, but he is probably going to stack you if that happens.
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07-03-2023 , 05:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cren01
Charge all heart draws - it was a small donk lead relative to the size of the pot (pot was $40)

and he bet $15 which is usually indicative of a weak FD or a Qx type of hand
Charging flush draws really isn't a thing anymore. As in, flush draws are both a very small part of ranges, as well as part of the highest equity in a range. So it's really not possible to "charge" them. As they aren't making a mistake calling unless the bet size is ridiculous. Which is fine if you know they will always call huge raises with flush draws. If you're not sure, you end up many times isolating yourself with nutted hands and occasionally nut flush draws when you bet huge.

Also, if you feel the donk is a FD or Qx.....since we know it's not a mistake to call with the FD....and V will likely fold his weaker Qx....raising doesn't really help us much here when we are in position.


River bet is just too small. After the flop action followed by turn check, you can easily get called for quite larger bets with a Q as your flop raise can easily look like a bluff once you check back the turn.


As played, probably calling because the line is just so awkward I wouldn't be surprised to see hearts turned into a weird c/r bluff. Possibly KQ, but I don't think he'd be trying to 3bet KQ on the flop. If he played such a weird line with a full house here.....just the way it goes sometimes.
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07-03-2023 , 01:45 PM
Normally open $10-$12 over 1 limp so maybe $15 would’ve been a better sizing.

Line was so awkward - thought villain wasn’t savvy enough to check both turn and river with a boat. Figured any huge value hand would lead river after turn checked.

I called off because I thought I set up myself to be bluff raised with river sizing but wanted value from Qx hands (that get stubborn because K hit river).

I tank call off and villain shows 24cc

I guess I could’ve managed pot size better by just flatting the donk IP on flop and not lose over 150 BB w AA.

Got greedy and went for value but I guess that’s the price you pay when you value own yourself.

Thanks for the feedback guys ��
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07-03-2023 , 03:34 PM
I think it's possible to find a fold here, but I have no problem with a call either. This just smells of fancy play syndrome with a nutted hand. I wouldn't discount 44 as impossible here either given this is how a lot of people would play it. But we also don't have the Ah which seems like a good thing for this spot.

If we think he really wanted to checkraise, and it wasn't an angle to get you to check back, then checking turn can be fine. And bet/folding river is also fine. I do think we should just bet bigger on the river as well.
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