I'm not the one you were asking, but I have no idea where you got any of this from his post. He didn't say anything about what stack size one should have at the table, and certainly nothing about leaving the table. He just said with these stack sizes and the typical play in his games that he would have limped in. Certainly a non-standard play, and I'm not defending it, but I don't see how anything you said follows from that suggestion.

Well, imo, a small check-raise with a set is not bad when you are this multiway because you don't really want everyone to fold, you want one or maybe even two callers.
You ask, "Who raises a set multiway on a board this wet?" A lot of people, because the action can disappear if the flush card comes on the turn or worse an opponent could make a hand better than your set on the turn.

gg is a good player. You should read his thread. He's played a lot of cards. We all don't have to play the same. We can all figure out different ways to exploit game conditions. BTW, about stack sizes, we have discussed straddles frequently on this forum, and I have said before that my local game is 1/3 with a $400 max buy in, so you would think that is 133bb, but the straddle is almost always on, so it actually plays as a 1/3/6 game with 66bb stacks. We gotta know how to play differently under different circs.

Have no idea where all this came from based on my original response to preflop.

I'll leave preflop where I always do. If you think creating very multiway pots OOP while offering insanely great IO to the world while also putting ourselves in handcuffing lol small SPR spots is a great result, then good, keep doing that and I'm sure you'll do fine. If you don't think it's a great result, then don't that.

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explain what you mean by IO. are you saying everytime you have an overpair youre going broke vs a set (or similarly strong hand) regardless of your stack size, so when deepstacked you should either limp AA preflop or raise to an absurd amount so that everyone folds? if so that is a pretty poor strategy both pre and post. you waste a ton of value on your strong paired hands preflop, and then overvalue one pair hands postflop.

pure SPR-based strat is a training wheel shortstack approach, designed to play 2 streets of brainless 50 BB poker where you are all in by the turn, with extremely high variance. its not conducive to becoming a NL crusher.

maybe if you're always imagining the worst case scenario in every hand you play, you can play this way indefinitely. im not sure why anyone would play poker with that mindset though, it sounds like a miserable, unproductive, and stressful waste of time.

You keep ignoring the fact that I'm stating "offering insanely good IO" AND "setting up handcuffing small SPR pots".

If it limps around here, based on a $400 effective stack, we will have offered everyone insane IO of ~140:1. However, the SPR will also be a very large 20+, where we can simply play postflop poker and not be handcuffed. BTW, this actually sets up the deepstack situation you're so keen on getting experience in. I'm certainly not coming remotely close to stacking of in SPR 20 cases.

However, if you raise to 5x and get 4 callers (yawn, completely standard in any 1/3 NL game I've played) you now setup a very small SPR at these stacks (the most common stack sizes you'll see in most capped BI games) where you'll be facing commitment decisions out of the gate (severely limiting your postflop skill, and OOP to boot). Did someone just outflop us and we're now punting 96% of our stack postflop? Or are we now giving a free/cheap card on a drawy board in a big pot? You've got basically one street / one bet / one action to figure all this out in; if you're really good with that, then you'll have to problems here. I'm not very good at it, so I do my best to avoid them.

And where did I say raise to an absurd amount preflop? I'm not raising at all here. I limp in which either produces (a) a limped around pot which creates a deepstack situation that I'm very comfortable in or (b) a limp/reraise situation which prints $$$ at raisey/loose tables.

Your lol statement regarding "miserable / unproductive / stressful waste of time" is so lol'ably off base it's awesome. This is the mindset pretty much every player I play with has. And it's the reason I win and they don't.

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Exploit folding turn is stupid if we didn’t exploit fold flop.

I really wouldn’t worry about being shown 88 here at showdown. It’s not losing in a vacuum to call this hand down, unless their strategies are so borked that they literally are incapable of having a bluff. Maybe at 1/3, fold is best, but it would become borderline criminal to not show this down at 5/10.

You just will not take an L, will you?

You give them better IO by limping. And you ignore all of the value that they hand to you when they call your raise with like K9o and flop a king.

You’re so afraid of getting it all in behind. It’s kind of cringe that you think this is a basis point to make solid strategic analysis of hands. No one cares that you love to execute the old man coffee, 6/1 strategy. It’s been near 20 years of consensus, and now loads of deep learning-based simulations, that say this isn’t the best way to play poker. It’s like arguing for relying on a horse and wagon because occasionally you might get in a car crash