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AA in the cutoff vs LAG on the button 1/2 AA in the cutoff vs LAG on the button 1/2

01-14-2017 , 07:17 AM
Hi all,
Just curious on how I played this hand and want the communities opinion. Game is a typical loose passive live 1/2 game. However the most aggressive player at the table is to my direct left and prob has a vpip around 50%. Never limps always raises never seen her 3-bet prior to this hand. Hero is prob seen as a typical young 23 yr old player

OTTH l: hero is the effective stack at 220. 6 limpers hero raises to 15 with AA in the cutoff v is on the button and says I'm gonna raise it up a little and 3-bets to 30 everyone folds and hero acts like he has a tough decision and just calls. Flop is 882 I check sherbets 40 and I check raise all in. Obviously with this move I'm hoping to be called by 99+ more realistically with a 3 bet JJ+ but like I said v can come up with anything in this hand. What do u guys think of this play? Usually never ever just flat aces OOP but thought it would be an okay time to
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01-14-2017 , 07:37 AM
Wtf is this... you flat a min 3bet with aces at 1/2? HA! No
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01-14-2017 , 07:54 AM
Game is a typical loose passive live 1/2 game. However the most aggressive player at the table is to my direct left and prob has a vpip around 50%. Never limps always raises never seen her 3-bet prior to this hand.

hero raises to 15 with AA in the cutoff v is on the button and says I'm gonna raise it up a little and 3-bets to 30 everyone folds and hero acts like he has a tough decision and just calls

fancy play with 110bb. How do you plan on ever getting stacks?

So many boards kill your action.


Put in a 4-bet you can do something like make it $65-70. Leaving 2 streets to get it all-in. Let them spazz and/or make bad calls

Last edited by Dochrohan; 01-14-2017 at 08:00 AM. Reason: thought just $70 was not nice enough, $65 is prob better both work and not much dif
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01-14-2017 , 08:18 AM
Too fancy. 4-bet
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01-14-2017 , 11:23 AM
Seat change!

More pre against SIX limpers. I'm making it about $20 here to get only 1-2 callers. I'd 4! pre. You're oop and want to create as low an SPR as possible. I would call if he raised to $60 and then shove all flops.
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01-14-2017 , 11:46 AM
Is there an Aces cracked promotion running?
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01-14-2017 , 02:23 PM
Well played until flop.
4betting pre is not the way to exploit this player. Shoving the flop is lighting $150 on fire a lot of the time.

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01-14-2017 , 02:26 PM
It's fine to flap, it's not a leak or anything, but it's not optimal. You can 4-bet check to this guy all day long on a lot of boards. They are aggro, just milk them.
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01-15-2017 , 12:00 AM
Well played pre. Show me the last hand that wasn't exactly AA that 4 bet in a 1/2 game. Seriously?

As played you have a much better chance of her now calling it off w/ TT-QQ than you did 4 betting preflop.

With only a ~100bb stack its extremely easy to get it all in. I'd probably check/call the flop and then check/shove every single turn. It's possible that a flop check/raise of ~$150 more gets her to find a fold, however once she bets the turn she's never ever folding.

Another benefit to calling the flop and waiting until the turn to gii is for the rare times that she 3 bet you w/ AK-AQ, you're give her a chance to bluff again or make a pair and continue as opposed to forcing her to fold the flop.
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01-15-2017 , 12:05 AM
You missed a few chances to get some better value for your hand, I think.

Limp/3betting here is an option against the player you describe unless you've already done it to her before.

If you choose to raise and then just call the 3bet, you can also put in a fake blocking bet on the flop, like 20 or 25. She's not going to be able to resist raising. Then you can either call or jam.
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01-15-2017 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dochrohan
It's fine to flap, it's not a leak or anything, but it's not optimal. You can 4-bet check to this guy all day long on a lot of boards. They are aggro, just milk them.
Huh? 4 bet check??

What are you expecting to get called by? And that 4 bet defend range is then going to try and barrel you off your 100bb stack through multiple streets???

This is pure nonsense
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01-15-2017 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
You missed a few chances to get some better value for your hand, I think.

Limp/3betting here is an option against the player you describe unless you've already done it to her before.

If you choose to raise and then just call the 3bet, you can also put in a fake blocking bet on the flop, like 20 or 25. She's not going to be able to resist raising. Then you can either call or jam.
All this, but I'd just ck-c flop and ck-c (likely all in by this point) turn if I played it your way PF.

EDIT: By the way, if she's gonna raise a ton and the table is limp-adjusting to her, then I'd limp too and hope to catch someone planning their own back raise or just do it myself and win $100 min. It sounds like one of those gameflows where you're better of on Vs right.

Last edited by Amanaplan; 01-15-2017 at 02:17 AM.
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01-15-2017 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by patchohare
Huh? 4 bet check??

What are you expecting to get called by? And that 4 bet defend range is then going to try and barrel you off your 100bb stack through multiple streets???

This is pure nonsense
4-betting checking certain boards, specifically low ones vs this villain is a dead way to take his stack.

This is a rare 4-bet sizing, which is why checking dominates him. He could of thought he was simply inducing us to play back at him, helps to be charismatic here.

Vs these opponents, you don't play a standard style, you create inducing plays. FE, in a tournament vs this player, I'd limp a ton of hands, if they start raising my limps a lot, specifically large, I'm going to be trapping a lot more here and I'll mix maybe some raises in of Kx/Qx/Jx but not many. Just to keep him thinking I'm raising big hands and limping the rest.

Similar style tricks but these times you do it post flop/pre-flop, etc. You have to create ways for them to take their own stack.

Nobody 4-bet checks, it'll be super inducing to this type of non thinking person who has a tendency to just get aggro.I think 4-bet leading small can induce, but it's less likely to induce than checking simply because it looks to attempt an induce to some after you 4-bet.
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01-16-2017 , 11:57 AM
Preflop is perfect. Because people don't 3! enough at 1/2 4-betting is almost always seen as aces. Unless you are playing with the same group over and over and need to balance a 4! range I think this is a clear call pre.

I would Ck/C this flop. It's so dry and V is going to C-bet 100% here given your reads of him. Depending on turn we can either Ck/C or Ck/shove.
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