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AA 180 BBs deep. 5-bet or flat? AA 180 BBs deep. 5-bet or flat?

08-05-2011 , 04:21 AM
Playing 2/5. Chicago casino. Table had 2 very loose players. V1 loved to gamble and raise pre-flop but was not horrible post in that he had some aggression and was able to fold when he thought he was beat. He is about $700 deep. V2 in the small blind was a poker player's wet dream. She was literally 100% VPIP with 1% PFR. She is the reason I requested a table change. When I sat down she had a mountain $1300 chips in front of her. 2/3 of all hands went to the river and 1/3 of all hands went to showdown. V3 - the 20-something guy to her left had an even bigger mountain of chips many of them from V2. He was one of the tighter players at the table and seems fairly ABC. He just has to wait for a hand, bet it for value and take V2 to value town since she rarely folds and the few times she bets her hand is usually face up.

Hero has about $900. Have been playing fairly tight and V3 probably notices.

Pre-flop: V1 in hijack raises to $15. He has been opening a ton so his range is really wide here. Hero in the hijack with AA raises to $40. V2 flats from SB. V3 re-raises to 140 from BB. V1 gets out of the way.

If hero flats and V2 folds, pot will be $335. If she calls pot will be $435 and hero will have about $775 behind.

Who flats here? Who raises? If you raise, how much?
AA 180 BBs deep. 5-bet or flat? Quote
08-05-2011 , 04:25 AM
I flat almost always. No need to blow people off hands. You want to keep V2 in the pot and V3 has a pretty big range.
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08-05-2011 , 04:38 AM
eh, tank tank tank flat and hope he cant fold KK on T76. i dont think there's any chance he can be cold 4 betting a wide range.
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08-05-2011 , 04:52 AM
If I think V2 will call, I then like a raise. If i think she will fold a flat in is in order.
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08-05-2011 , 05:02 AM
V3 has wide range? SMH.. his 4 bet indicates his range is KK-AA maybe QQ if he thinks you are 3x light.

I would say flat but V2 being a poker players dream may decide to come on in, if that's the case lets hope variance isn't on her side.

Anyways flatting and shipping on flop isnt bad and neither is playing back @ v3.. ..
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08-05-2011 , 06:53 AM
v3 range is not wide....therefore raising is not going to make v3 fold

What are v2 and v3's tendencies post flop? fit/fold, sticky, aggressive, etc?

My initial instinct is to 5bet to $350. V3 will def call, but v3 seems smart enough, not to stack off on the flop unless he hits the flop hard

flatting is ok too, since you have position...If v3 has tendencies to continue to bet against you oop (even if v2 is out of the hand) then flat and call his bets.
AA 180 BBs deep. 5-bet or flat? Quote
08-05-2011 , 07:02 AM
Raise small.
AA 180 BBs deep. 5-bet or flat? Quote
08-05-2011 , 07:24 AM
I want to be heads up at worst so I probably find a re-raise here. u're asking to be stacked by just calling here.

That being said u maybe looking to play a big pot. If you dont mind the slightly higher risk then call and play a big pot.
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08-05-2011 , 09:06 AM
Grunch.

Flatting ip is best imo. If v3 is tight and abc he is folding on the 5b. If he has Kk you will get his stack all of the time. If he has jj/QQ/aks you give him a chance to fold preflop. Flat and let him make a mistake on the flop. On a dry low board I'm flattng the flop then applying pressure on the turn
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08-05-2011 , 05:21 PM
Why does the 4b have a tight range? Seems like a awesome spot for him to bluff.

Edit: Also, flatting the pf open isn't the worst idea
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08-05-2011 , 06:17 PM
In my experience cold 4/5 bets are not very wide at low limits. Yes you may occassionaly see someone do this light but is rather flat and play ip. He should be cbettting just about any board after this play even if it was a squeeze
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08-05-2011 , 06:24 PM
flat and shove about all flops
AA 180 BBs deep. 5-bet or flat? Quote
08-05-2011 , 06:38 PM
Pretty sure V2 is going to call $100 more if you call. Just make it $350-$400 and get it in.
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08-05-2011 , 06:40 PM
The choices are really just jamming or calling. A small raise will scream AA. The only question is the EV. Everyone is going to be at an SPR of 2 or less, so stacks are going in anyway if they have an over pair. A rough cut of the odds suggests that being 2 way is slightly better than 3 way. Therefore, I jam. Someone who cold 4bets is never folding pf.
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08-05-2011 , 11:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheClubber
Playing 2/5. Chicago casino. Table had 2 very loose players. V1 loved to gamble and raise pre-flop but was not horrible post in that he had some aggression and was able to fold when he thought he was beat. He is about $700 deep. V2 in the small blind was a poker player's wet dream. She was literally 100% VPIP with 1% PFR. She is the reason I requested a table change. When I sat down she had a mountain $1300 chips in front of her. 2/3 of all hands went to the river and 1/3 of all hands went to showdown. V3 - the 20-something guy to her left had an even bigger mountain of chips many of them from V2. He was one of the tighter players at the table and seems fairly ABC. He just has to wait for a hand, bet it for value and take V2 to value town since she rarely folds and the few times she bets her hand is usually face up.

Hero has about $900. Have been playing fairly tight and V3 probably notices.

Pre-flop: V1 in hijack raises to $15. He has been opening a ton so his range is really wide here. Hero in the hijack with AA raises to $40. V2 flats from SB. V3 re-raises to 140 from BB. V1 gets out of the way.

If hero flats and V2 folds, pot will be $335. If she calls pot will be $435 and hero will have about $775 behind.

Who flats here? Who raises? If you raise, how much?
Grunch

Flat imo. I'd want V2 to get her money in if she is a station. Also, raising imo screams AA only if your image is tight and V3 has noticed, while flatting could maybe make it tougher for V3 to put you on AA.
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08-05-2011 , 11:43 PM
i like a min 5 bet to induce a call from the station villan, plus reopen the betting.
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08-06-2011 , 03:39 AM
Grunch

I flat to keep V2 in. Her range seems pretty wide and it probably has many hands like A10-AK that we crush. Also, not sure how crazy loose V2 is.. but a 5bet should still be enough to get her to fold anything but jj-AA/AK

We can feel comfortable that V3 is JJ-AA/AK. and will fold JJ-QQ/AK to a 5bet. No reason to 5bet him away here.

Also, if we flat, getting V2 to call bloats the pot and will allow V3 to stack off with an overpair.
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08-06-2011 , 04:27 AM
5bet ainec imo
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