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08-16-2015 , 11:36 PM
First hand, Hero posted. SB is a guy in his 50s who I have never seen before and I am a reg in this poker room.

Hero has full stack of $300, SB has about $180

Hero has AA

Hero posts in middle positions and wakes up with aces makes it $15, only SB calls

Flop is 457 (Pot is $33)

SB bets $20, Hero calls $20

Turn is 3 (Pot is $63)
SB bets $50 Hero calls $50


River is 2 (Pot is $163)
SB goes all in for $100, Hero folds
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08-16-2015 , 11:55 PM
Without reads:

I probably r/f the flop.
Turn is a fold.
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08-17-2015 , 12:19 AM
I would just raise flop to $90 and get it in on any turn card since V already has half his stack in. As played River fold seems ok. Raise/folding flop would be bad with these stack sizes.
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08-17-2015 , 12:22 AM
Raising the flop, getting it in on the turn with the nut draw. AP, folding river.
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08-17-2015 , 12:36 AM
I'm not sure why your all advocating for raising flop or turn. Once we raise we remove all bluffs from V's range and/or worser hands that V's over valuing I.e 88-JJ and some 7x combos, And only allow him to continue with a range that crushes ours I.e sets, two pair combos and the obvious flopped straight.

As played river is close, I lean towards a fold only because given V's line I think he's rarely bluffing in this spot and at this point that's all we beat. But I think given this line we were behind from start to Finnish so raising at any point would simply be lighting money or fire.
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08-17-2015 , 01:18 AM
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I'm not sure why your all advocating for raising flop or turn. Once we raise we remove all bluffs from V's range and/or worser hands that V's over valuing I.e 88-JJ and some 7x combos, And only allow him to continue with a range that crushes ours I.e sets, two pair combos and the obvious flopped straight.
+1.
I think we need to fold turn. 88-JJ do not continue betting and all draws got there. Not getting a good enough price to redraw either.

As played river is a snap fold imo.
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08-17-2015 , 01:29 AM
Well this is $1/3 live pokers we are talking about here. If you don't think worse hands continue facing a raise, you haven't played much live poker. This hand is heads up, it's not like it went 8 ways to the flop.
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08-17-2015 , 05:59 AM
It seems to me most of the 2p2 posts regarding overpairs are for flops textured just like this. I think either you play it out and learn a lesson, or you just never get too involved on super connected low flops.

Seems a good lesson to take away from these forums that live 1/2 players get shook up and hang around too long on low wet flops with big pairs.
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08-17-2015 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Pipedreamer101
I'm not sure why your all advocating for raising flop or turn. Once we raise we remove all bluffs from V's range and/or worser hands that V's over valuing I.e 88-JJ and some 7x combos, And only allow him to continue with a range that crushes ours I.e sets, two pair combos and the obvious flopped straight.

As played river is close, I lean towards a fold only because given V's line I think he's rarely bluffing in this spot and at this point that's all we beat. But I think given this line we were behind from start to Finnish so raising at any point would simply be lighting money or fire.
A villain donking on this flop never has complete air, and even if by some miracle he does, this isn't the board you want to be bluff catching three streets on. He has a huge range of flush and straight draws that you should get value from.
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08-17-2015 , 09:46 AM
You have a 1 card donkey end of a straight on the river. Let's see how that sets up against a probable range for the villain.

Sets would explain his behavior. He hit big on the flop with a wet board and decide to protect by donk betting big. He could also have a bigger straight on the flop. I don't think MAWG call 63 pf, so let's just say he could have 86. I'd rule out overpairs because by the river he shouldn't be feeling good about them. He'd slow down. There shouldn't be that many 2 pairs in his hand, but let's add 75 to the mix since we are adding 86. He shouldn't have a flush, he'd likely c/c.

If he has 2 pair in his range you're slightly ahead of the above range. If we remove the two pair, we still have enough equity to call. Only if we add 63 does this become a fold. Even with that, it is only a minor mistake to call.

I'd call it. If he is calling raises with gappers, that's valuable enough information to pay for the couple of dollars of lost equity.
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08-17-2015 , 10:54 AM
If I'm calling the turn, I'm calling the river. As venice wrote -- he has a wide range and we beat a lot of it on the river.

I'm also in the raise flop camp. If he flopped a big straight, more power to him, but this is easily some type of draw and we have outs. Plus, it's just over 50bb.
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08-17-2015 , 12:07 PM
SPR is 5.5 against an unknown. I wish we woulda raised just a touch more preflop (which I would especially do if this is my first hand at the table as it looks so FOS), but I still think we're pretty much committed here.

Flop is drawy as hell and I feel committed, so I'm raising. I'd like to give poor 2:1 odds to chase on this drawy board, so that would mean sticking in $90. However, that would leave about $75 left in a $210 pot for the turn, which is kinda lol. Since it's our first hand at the table and we have no history with this guy, I actually wouldn't mind a shove here.

As played, turn is about the worst card we could see as every drawy completes and he might have already been ahead. Even if we make our 4card flush and he still pays us off 100% of the time (which obviously he won't), he only has enough behind to make a call ~breakeven. On top of that we have RIO on a A hitting (where we'll probably feel committed to call). Easy fold on the turn as played.

ETA: I'm also fine with the raise to $90 and get the 1/3rd PSB left in on the turn. Being the first hand at the table and no image, I'm more for a shove though.

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