Hero percieved image loose aggressive Stack - $350-$400

V2 - Just got bad beat with AA in two hands prior. Has been playing in many pots and calling 3-bets wide pre-flop. Stack - $300 or so

Pre-flop

-Hero in Utg+1 raises AA $15.
-V1 Mp Calls
-V2 SB Calls

Flop K85r $49

V2 checks
Hero bets $25
V1 folds
V2 Raises $75
Hero Calls

Turn 6 $199

Check
Check

River T $199

V2 Shoves for around $200

Hero?

Dont slowroll the poor fellow

You have to call this off as played, you are committed once you call the flop. The problem you have is that not much should raise this flop that isn't two pairs already. Very player dependent though, this can also be someone raising like KJ to see where they are at.

What do you put villain's calling range as preflop? How aggressive has he been playing postflop? What reads do you have on him?

EDIT

This is played more like Kx than two pairs though. Sorry if he had KTo.

5x ep raise didn't get 23 callers in a cheeseburger stakes game? Imagine that...

I felt that he was tilted and may be trying to get back to even. I would not think he would raise a K on the flop I thought the raise polarised his range a bit. Preflop I would assign 44-TT, KQs-K9s, AKs-A9s, AKo-ATo, T9s,89s,78s.

Do you think a KT or set would check the turn after a check-raise on the flop?

Forgot to mention 5x is the standard at this casino.

Sets and two pairs generally continue, the 'raise to find out where you are at' often checks turns IME.

how often do you see V at 1/3 PSB shove OTR with less than 2p? It's pretty sick, and I wouldn't blame you for mucking.

But I would Call this off. His flop raise and then check screams Kx. Bet small OTT for value.

You have really under-repped your hand by checking back turn, so I think you have to call off river

Cant fold on this runout i dont think

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Could checking OTT also be a viable option to keep his bluffs in? giving him a chance to bluff OTR as a bet OTT may fold out his potential bluffs. Would this be the more profitable play?

I would xb turn to get him to bluff all his busted draws and also to reassure him that Kx may still be good. Folding to a 7x river though.

I typically limp/reraise preflop.

One of the reasons I do so is results like this. We're OOP with a hand that is unlikely to improve in an SPR 6 pot, where anyone can easily make us play for stacks (by calling down in position and raising the river), and yet we definitely don't want to play for stacks having gotten in just 5% of our stack preflop.

Flop isn't that drawy, so we could just check it to attempt pot control / widen everyones ranges (much better chance of showing up with the winning hand by the river by check/calling than by betting and being called). If we're betting, then I'm betting to fold, so I fold to the check/raise.

As played, I probably fold to the river shove too. I just don't see any busted draws that didn't improve to one pair that really have to reason to bluff, and people typically don't shove for stacks on the river with just TP.

GcluelessNLnoobG

You are keeping his bluffs in by flatting OTF. If you re-raise there, you fold out his bluffs and are likely narrowing his range to only hands that beat you.

Now that he checks the turn we are likely ahead and should be going for value.

The only bluff I see him doing this with is 67, though most LLSNL don't consider turning a pair into a bluff, b/c "hey, I have sd value"

Absolutely call your hand is underrepped

Snap call. Sets and two pairs don't check the turn with all the straight draws that just popped up. You don't really have a lot of them but he's not thinking about that if he has a set. Live players are terrified of getting sucked out on when they make a big hand. Could be KT with the river shove sizing but I just don't fold. If he's spewy enough to raise KT on the flop to find out where he's at he's spewy enough to shove KJ on the river.

I probably shove turn myself or bet small and shove small on the river.

Size higher on the flop ($35-$38).

Rest is fine assuming you called river. Realistically, only KT beats you (as sets would have bet the turn).

Kinda surprised so many are cool with calling flop check/raises (multiway to boot).

Git'sverymeh,imoG

CALL and MUCK with a SMILE if KT

i would like to see thoughts on this because in my mind, there's just no chance this thought ever crosses my mind 100bb deep. specifically trying to pot control AA on a K-high rainbow.

btw i call river.

Flop raises are not nearly as nutted as turn or river raises imo. A lot of LLSNL players raise the flop to see where they're at or with draws. A turn or river raise gets way more respect from me.

While I agree that we should definitely give big street raises more respect than early street ones, it's still a fairly meh play calling early street ones which bring stacks into play ASAP (when playing non-deepish) if we're not feeling committed. If we're not folding here, we'd likely be better off not betting.

GimoG

If you're not folding overpairs having gotten in a mere 5% of your stack preflop sitting at 100bbs you're likely going to get slaughtered in all but the absolute best of games.

GimhoG

im not saying i dont ever fold overpairs to a x/r on rainbow boards.

if i think a player is nitty then i have no problems folding a ton of hands.

im saying that i dont immediately go into pot control mode when i flop my overpairs. and im interested in seeing if people are really going into pot control mode on these types of boards with overpairs.

GG why are we pot controlling a clear 3 streets of value hand? It's hard to make hands like TPTK+. When we do we need to go for max value, not pot control in case someone happened to flop a set. When people flop sets they will likely let us know anyways.

"Pot controlling" at 100BB in a passive LLSNL game is just missing out on TONS of value. It will rarely induce bluffs and just allows V's to see free cards. Doesn't necessarily mean I want to play for stacks with just 1p, but I am also not going to play scared or passively in a passive game.