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10-15-2022 , 06:59 AM

adonson

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Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,064

1/2

Table is loose passive, most pots are limped multiway. No three-bets in the last three orbits.

V1 (BB) Very loose, limping more than half the pots. On the flop and turn, makes 1/4 pot bets as bluffs and semi-bluffs. Covers hero.

V2 (CO) loose passive regular. Covers hero.

Hero has around 300. Not much of an image after three orbits.

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Checks to V2 in CO who limps. Hero with Ah6h on the button raises to 12. V1 in BB calls. V2 calls.

Flop (33 after rake) AdThQd

Checks to hero. Hero bets 25. V1 calls, V2 folds.

Turn (79 after rake) Kh.

Check, check.

River (79) As.

BB bets 25. Hero?

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10-15-2022 , 08:10 AM

AAJTo

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At best you are chopping on the river. No one underbet bluffs in these spots ever. Fold.

I don't mind an x on the flop to bluff catch later streets since a lot of people with middle/bottom pair + straight draw will bet turn or in your case x flop to get away from the hand on the turn when a 4 straight card hits. This is not a 3 streets of value hand you don't need to cbet it on a scary board.

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10-15-2022 , 02:30 PM

larry the legend

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$25 to chop. If you chop 1/3 times it is fine. Occasionally you might even find someone with a diamond draw and you scoop. I probably call. Especially since you described V as very loose

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10-15-2022 , 04:45 PM

keefsharktank

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I mean from even a half way logical point of view you could easily be up against a J and the other problem here is you're getting pretty good pot odds. I used to light money on fire in these spots finding a call using pot odds and equity. Maybe he has a hand like KT, QT, T9 or Q9. At 1/2 people will do things that don't make sense and we aren't blocking any hands with a J (aside from AJ) but he maybe over valuing a hand like KT, QT. We are blocking nut hands with an A and he shouldn't have AQ or AK plus there are busted flush draws. I would hate it but I'd find a call.

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10-15-2022 , 07:20 PM

411Heelhook

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snap

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10-16-2022 , 05:17 AM

adonson

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During play, I thought I was getting better odds pot odds on the river because I forgot to subtract the rake. I'm glad the odds were still good enough to call.

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10-16-2022 , 05:18 AM

adonson

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Spoiler:

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10-16-2022 , 05:55 AM

adonson

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Results above

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10-16-2022 , 06:48 AM

Homey D. Clown

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Still an easy call based on your description of him.

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10-16-2022 , 10:58 PM

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Joe-exotic69

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All in

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10-16-2022 , 11:10 PM

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JayKon

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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69

All in

People who bluff and semi-bluff a lot think everyone else does the same, so he will call nearly 100% of the time. So, shoving is setting money on fire.

I am OK with a call, given the villain's description.

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10-17-2022 , 02:56 AM

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keefsharktank

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One of the very first lessons given to me when I started playing Hold'Em was to fold on 1 card straight/flush boards. For sure I set money on fire trying to bluff catch on the river thinking the opponent was using the board texture to bluff me. Now there are few times I call on 1 card straight or flush boards because time and time again they will have the straight or flush. The times I have called are against opponents that I have history with and have a good idea of their betting tendencies with certain hands on different streets. GG.

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10-17-2022 , 08:33 AM

#13

iwasbanned

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Originally Posted by keefsharktank

One of the very first lessons given to me when I started playing Hold'Em was to fold on 1 card straight/flush boards...

Yes, this will sure keep the variance lower.

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10-17-2022 , 12:56 PM

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JayKon

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Originally Posted by keefsharktank

Like everything else in poker, it depends.

If a nit, or a very solid player is betting on a 4-straight, or 4-flush board, I'll likely fold most hands. On the other hand, if it's an over-aggressive player, or I'm not sure they see the board correctly, it deserves some evaluation. Mostly though, it depends on how good a read I have on the villain. My favorite is the smarter guy that wants to "put me in my place", but isn't really comfortable bluffing. While it can take a minute, they're really pretty easy to read.

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10-17-2022 , 07:27 PM

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keefsharktank

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Originally Posted by JayKon

There have been very few times in Texas and Las Vegas poker rooms that I see someone call on a 1 card flush/straight run out and the opponent not have it. One of the few times I can recall was 5/10 Holdem at aria. I don't try and crack this kind of code in 1/2 and 1/3 unless I have solid information on opponents betting tendencies.

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10-17-2022 , 07:40 PM

#16

Grease

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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69

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You’re joking, right? Risking 200 for 100 when he probably won’t fold a straight is bad.

If we were at high stakes we block a lot of FH combos but I think you get called by lots of better hands that “should” fold.

In theory this is super slick but I think it goes over everyone’s head at these stakes and people call expecting a chop.

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10-18-2022 , 12:56 AM

#17

Joe-exotic69

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Originally Posted by Grease

If you dont think he folds then dont do it

I think he folds to an 2x pot size though

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10-18-2022 , 04:03 AM

#18

davomalvolio

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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69

If you dont think he folds then dont do it

I think he folds to an 2x pot size though

One of the famous Old-Time Rules on these forums is that you can raise to any amount with a full house on boards like this because Villains will NEVER fold a straight for ANY amount. (Same principle applies when you have, eg, a 7 on an A7773 board--you can just shove for 4 times the pot and expect to get called by a guy with an Ace who thinks you're chopping. Or when you have the 8s on a 4s5s6s7s board--if the guy has the As he's never folding for any amount, so just do a massive overbet and print money.)

The corollary to this rule is, of course: NEVER BLUFF IN THESE SPOTS because you will ALWAYS get called.

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10-18-2022 , 04:37 PM

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411Heelhook

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Strictly adhering to those old timey rules is probably doing more negative to your game than positive.

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