You just answered your own question =\

You know your goals, you have stated your goals and I am giving concise advice on how you can best achieve them. 24k a year is likely more easily achieved without the stress you put on yourself playing poker so I don't really buy that argument

I said to PM me on it but w/e.

I deleted setsy comment to you and your comment back to him. Neither comment served the well being of the thread and were emotional. Nothing good was going to come from it. He shouldn't tell you to calm down and there was no need to respond to it in an emotional manner. I am loving the debates and discussion going on fwiw. Two worlds colliding and its leading to good stuff. The calm down bros and I'll do what I wants are unnecessary.

Get back on topic ffs. If mpethy has a problem with how Stampler or anyone else is coming off let him handle it or press the report post button.

Mpethy, you can be off of timeout now. Please continue the thread. I for one am enjoying it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0spF...yer_detailpage

This thread was pretty sweet until about 5 pages ago.

If anyone itt needs a hug Im here for you.

Just sayin'.

I haven't really been a reg at any other sub-forum of 2p2, but I can say without a doubt that LLSNL has a very awful "sense of community".

I just don't understand why when people disagree they can't post something constructive rather than argumentative. (Eg. OP says I think XYZ is correct because ABC, person who disagrees - XYZ is wrong because of DEF) How hard is that? Instead there always has to be some insult thrown in.

The whole point of 2p2 is to discuss and grow. To say that a concept discussed anywhere is straight up false is ridiculous. Discuss why it is wrong/right(without insults).

Heck I make it a point to not post most of my interesting thoughts/hands and instead just read. For the main reason being that I know a majority will disagree me with and instead of responding with well thought out points it will just be thrown aside as "non-sense" with a few insults to go along for good measure. (Again, don't care that I'll be disagreed with, just make it constructive...)

Fwiw I don't agree with 100% of stampler or mpethy... But guess what, I do what most 2p2'ers should do, I don't blindly agree with what anyone posts. I take the time to think about things and then apply them to my knowledge of poker. To late a solid original post go to waste just because two people want to call each other names, is a shame.

(Also as a side note; nothing should be considered "common knowledge" and not discussed. The game is always evolving and something true at a certain point in the past may or may not still be true. Discussing it never hurts.)

One thing I didn't see mentioned is the difference in squeezing vs 3-betting somebody next to act. If someone opens to $15 in a 2-5 game and you 3-bet to $45, you are laying about 2-1 (45/22). If that same player opens to $15 and gets 2 callers, you can probably generate the same level of folds for like $65. Now you are laying 1.25-1(65/52), so you're 3-bet needs to work a lot less often to be profitable. Pretty basic stuff, but if someone is opening often enough and you are a few places to their left, it may be worth just waiting to use your 3-bet button until you get a nice squeeze opportunity.

A couple other considerations with squeezing:
1) The initial PFR will play very straightforward usually. Sometimes, if you 3-bet a button opener out of the blinds, a decent player might flat to trap instead of 4-bet. With 2 players to act behind him, he will almost always choose not to trap with AA and KK for fear of playing them 4 way.

2) Sometimes you will squeeze to $65 and the first guy will call, assuming the other 2 will as well. If they do, you can often times get away with much smaller c-bets as a percentage of pot since you're opponents will only continue if they can beat or have a very strong draw to beat AA.

Great post, I just have one question about chopping the blinds. I generally DON'T chop and the reason is that at my game they don't rake the $4 pot if both blinds check all the way down. If you bet on the flop and the other blind folds you get the full $4 with no rake. From how I understand it, the point of chopping is to avoid getting $1 raked from the pot.

My question is in the above situation do you still recommend chopping to keep up the "good sport" image or is it OK to not chop because I generally think I'm the better heads up player.

I see your point with being the "good sport" because everyone at my game chops except me.

You should see Politics.

but why would you ever complete your small blind?

This is not a fair comparison. "Implied odds" and "Fold equity" are unambigious terms that can be reduced to numbers. "Winning" is a term that is culturally relative and far more open to interpretation, especially when combined with "image". The particular meaning of "winning image" in this thread was made clear in the OP, that is, an observant player with apparent control of proceedings at the poker table.

i almost never show my hole cards because

1) i think the way the information given away is interpreted by other players is too unpredictable.
2) there are too many regs in my game. i won't be able to manipulate my image to them because they have played a lot with me, so i just feed them straight information without getting anything in return. and the subset of these regs who are actually good will be able to use the information more correctly, which is even worse.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be the biggest fish in the smallest pond.

In fact, I think most of us in LLSNL are quite satisfied with such accomplishment.

I could see this happening. Its already hard enough to figure out whats going on in some peoples minds and then to try and figure out what they think about the hand you just showed. Level 54 thinking?

Well, was there first a proper foundation laid that established that the authority was sufficiently reliable as an authoritative as to the substantive legal issues behind such claims?

Objection, incoherent.

Going beyond ABC fit or Fold/Cbet only made hands

Since this post is talking about ABCD poker I want to add something I been working on in my game.

Two main concerns that abc poker can't exploit. Regs/decent players peeling light on the flop and folding on the turn. When regs/bad tags cbet almost 80% but always check turn.

When I'm the preflop aggressor I used to always bet flop and check turn. Now I see boards that I would almost never bluff at/equity chase backdoor draws.

Backdoor draws:

Now when postflop I'm looking for key cards to my hand. Before I just c/f, but I'm getting past that, I cbet bluff backdoor draws and when I gain equity or put my opponent on a weak range I double barrel.

Calling with draws/backdoor draws. Low stakes players don't bet size well. If I see weak betsizing I'm peeling backdoor draws or chasing my draw, if they check turn I'm betting, usually if they bet turn they bet weak giving you odds to hit your flush/bluff river.

Again this is all done with weak betsizing and low aggression from weak players which is pretty much everyone.

Was the appealed-to-authority one that is recongized in the community as a reliable authority on such matters?

The logical fallacy is argument from authority: ie "position A is correct because Person B holds it"

Part A I've seen a lot. As a rule, I don't cbet complete air. I need a little something, unless it's a crazy dry flop. I two barrel when I pick up one of my more favorable outs. When I fire the 2nd barrel, I win the pot an inordinate amount of the time....it's almost criminal. I think modern "fish" expect us to cbet a flop and call to see what we are going to do. Not floating, per se, but just knowing we will give up a lot on turns. Decent bets finally convince them we have something strong. Anyone else noticing this?

Part B I need to do a lot more. I have been giving up on tons of flops just assuming they lead out when they hit, and I don't enjoy drawing to 6 outers. However, with the same conditions as above, I maybe should start peeling a little myself against the right villains...just to see when/if they give up and take a few pots from them, too. God forbid my bd draw hits the turn and I actually pick up something. I see the small turn bets a lot, too. Something like $25 on the flop turns to $30-$35 on the turn. If we are sufficiently deep, this lays odds like a well-fed chicken.

Wrt the last part, forget odds or chickens, raise those small turn bets, they are almost always bet/folding! O.o

So, when someone leads flop as pfr for 1/2-2/3 and you call.....you are likely to raise a 1/3 pot turn bet with almost anything expecting a fold? I don't have those balls yet.

I've had people lead the turn for the same $ amount as they led the flop which winds up being like a 1/8th PSB on the turn and I just can't respect that

Not if they are a station or if they are short. But otherwise yes, I will give it a whirl a couple of times until they prove to me a) they are a station b) they can adjust c) they have soul-read my evil ways and are doing it with the nuts to induce .

DGAF talks about recognizing spots where others are b/f-ing and exploiting that, and it's something I am trying to work on.

Agreed there. But, 1/3 or 1/4ish?

DGAF? Help.