Hi all,

Pretty crazy 1/3 game. Very loose. Only been here about an hour.

I cover all involved in this hand and effective stack is about 200

I limp UTG with 7d7s button limps, SB completes BB calls.

(12) Flop 7c6c3s

BB( he has been extremely aggro and just crazy) bets 16. I call button makes it 32 SB ships it, BB ships it.... it’s on me and the button minclicked it

Thoughts???

Raise pre unless you play UTG limp only strategy.
AP call

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You have top set, you should sprain your wrists sticking it in. You are 66bb deep with top set in 'a crazy game' so I don't know what the question is.

seriously, what's the question? How fast should you call?

Get. It. In. You beat tons of value hands, there are tons of draws, and if they flopped a straight you have boat outs.

How crazy a game can it be when the biggest stack is 66BBs? Sorry, was that too toxic for you?

Come on, Man!

Even if the SB or BB flip their cards over and show you 45 for the current nuts, you still have correct equity to call.

I should add that the SB who shipped I have history with and he’s nitty

He did have 45

You have top set. You have to go on all in. If they are on a straight or flush and they hit, you have a river redraw.

If you did go all in and lose this hand, you did everything right and just got a cooler.

DOES

NOT

COMPUTE

How the hell does a nitty player call 4-5 in the small blind?

nits get bored and spaz too (assuming OP meant 54o).

if not, then 54s is a pretty no-brainer complete here even for a nit

Raise pre. GII. Stack chips or rebuy. My thoughts are this. If you want to get better, ask a specific question that we can answer that will help you in the future.

Wait, he's nitty? Oh well you can totally go around folding top set OTF 60bb effective then.

"Raise flop the first time around" hadn't been said yet.

How someone who has posted so many hands can think this is a difficult spot is beyond me.

I'm cool with preflop.

Even though "don't go broke in a limped pot" I'm cool with going broke on this flop facing the BB donk alone for 66bbs. I think this is far too drawy a board to just call. I'd raise to about $60ish, giving poor 2:1 odds to chase and setting up a PSB shove for the turn.

As played, I'm too lazy to math but I think we likely just have to go with it here especially at a crazy aggro action table. There's obviously a decent chance we are behind facing this action (although we are certainly still ahead sometimes), but we're getting pretty good odds to bink better (even though some of our outs are likely gone).

ETA: OP, did you end up seeing what everyone else had? Would be an interesting results-oriented poker stove to see exactly how profitable a call is here given that likely a huge amount of our outs are gone. These multiway EV calcs are impossible enough to do off the table due to difficulty of ranging, let alone at the table in real time without equipment. Will say my guess is that it's likely more a sigh call than a fistpump call that others are making it out to be, although I can be convinced otherwise with maths.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Yeah 45, the other had 33, the last V had 75

Crazy hand!

Set over set vs straight vs pair and gutter lol

Also I’m not raising pre with 77 in this game UTG

If I've stoved / math right, we're being asked to call $181 to win $619 (assuming the minraiser comes along and joins the party). Which means we need ~23% equity to ~breakeven. In the results oriented case we only have ~20% equity, so actually a losing call in this particular case. (ETA: Forgot to factor in rake/etc. but that makes little difference here)

Course there are times when someone doesn't show up with the nuts (although how often facing this action is debatable). But there are also times someone shows up with a flush draw (I didn't give anyone a flush draw which would likely lesson our equity although I didn't stove cases to see for sure).

Git'sasighcall,imoG

pf seems a little loose for UTG. cant raise, and if you limp BB sees the flop for free and this happens. pretty sure most starting hand charts say 99 and up for UTG.

Nah hand charts say 77+ and they are just a good starting point for most new players obv if games tighter open tighter game looser open looser

That's backwards. You dont open tighter in tight games. And you certainly dont open looser when the game is loose and you're going to get 5-6 calls.

Also, new players will never be able to play 77 profitably by raising UTG. No way they will be able to maneuver profitably post flop.

Oh I did say it backward my bad !
All I said was preflop charts say open 77+ from utg. I don’t make the charts if you have a gripe don’t take it out on me lol
Maybe you should be the one writing the theory for everyone to follow !

Joey: These fellers be slingin that mud my way ain't putting their cards in the muck no how. Dem call erry times I is make it a raise.

Lenny: Best be stop putting all dem dollar in before da flop with that there plusser EV ranges or whatever hogwash them city slickers been hollering at on that IBM you got.

Joey: Whaddya say I take bunch these good ol' boy hands and maybe start doin what these cottonpickers be doin, maybe that limper thang eh?

Lenny: That's what a hillbilly do, so you get that dun right quick.

Joey: Welp, I did that thang and redneck done make the stragitht. Some good ol dude had the 33. Man had I maybe slung in my twelve bits I bet I'd have all the beef we could eat wit dat poor boy left with one out gainst us. Dang.

^ lulz

People seriously aren’t opening 77 UTG frequently?
Do people simply fold these hands or just limp 100% for real?
Is this for real?

77 is a real borderline hand in EP and you probably have all options available depending on your skill advantage versus the table / conditions. Personally, I fold 66- from most everywhere except LP, and I limp anything I'm playing from EP, so I think a limp is acceptable. Obviously do what you want, but you'd have a tough time convincing me it's horrible.

And +1 to Mike's post.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Not playing 66- or even 77 is acceptable in the sense it doesn’t negatively impact things in an average to tough game. Howwwwwever, making sets in loose passive wild type 1/3 games is worth so much that it is a mistake to fold them. As for limping, it’s an unwinnable argument in here, but what it boils down to is that when you raise you are going to see the flop as often as limping, and there is something to creating a perfect pot size for flopping sets in games where players play so many hands that they can often flop second best. When you limp, the pot is immediately smaller, and there is less incentive for the stations to peel their gutters/middle pairs/etc. Its cheaper for them to call in a limped pot but there is also much less money in the middle as bait. I’d rather routinely go 5 ways for 50 that 10 ways for 30, etc etc etc