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72o makes it... sizing? 72o makes it... sizing?

09-21-2022 , 02:54 AM
1/3 NL. H has been running over the table which has been loose passive. H has been making hands but also bluffing in good spots and generally playing well. Has decided to play one last hand after his celebration beer arrived.

V - losing loose bad lag. Plays face up post and too wide and passive pre. Has tried 3! with 67s and just generally clicks buttons but keeps talking strategy at the table. More competent than most but sort of in that weird phase of learning where he actually loses more than a really bad player because he's trying to learn/employ too many ideas too quickly. Has about 400$ and is tilted, H covers.

few limps and H opens 72o from MP for 20$, V and 2 limpers call, V is IP, limpers are OOP.

Flop 80 - K 7 2

limpers check, H bets 50, V calls, limpers fold

Turn 180 - 9

H bets 100...

Thoughts on sizing on all streets?
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09-21-2022 , 03:08 AM
Fold preflop?

30 flop/ 120 turn / jam safe river
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09-21-2022 , 03:22 AM
I would use a smaller bet size on the flop (because it's so disconnected), but then size up HUGE on the Turn once it's heads-up. Villain's range is capped (after he just called preflop and on the flop), and we want to put a ton of pressure on his Kx hands. I'd be betting close to the pot (or even over the pot) on the Turn.

Another benefit to betting Really Big on the Turn is it becomes much harder for Villain to bluff-shove; therefore, if he goes all-in, you'll have a much easier fold.
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09-21-2022 , 09:41 AM
I like your sizing on the flop. I think you can go $65 vs V as described. Players like that get put in a blender when they have KJ or KQ and can rarely fold regardless of sizing. Hand is extremely velnerable so winning the pot with a bet and V fold is not the end of the world. Id go $125 to $140 on the turn for the same reasons vs described villain.
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09-21-2022 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69
Fold preflop?

30 flop/ 120 turn / jam safe river
Seconded
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09-21-2022 , 10:59 AM
Looks standard except for the horrible raise pre...

I go on heaters too sometimes but it doesn't encourage me to play bad and burn money away :O

FFP
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09-21-2022 , 11:34 AM
We're setting money on fire preflop, imo. It's almost as our Villain description just described our action here. Way way too early, way too many limpers, way too loose a table, far too crappy a hand, horrendous SPR / multiway action to completely decimate our postflop steal equity, etc.

SPR is 5 and we've got two pear on a board that probably shouldn't have any other two pear. So I consider myself committed. Board is somewhat drawy due to flush draw but pretty disconnected otherwise. I think I'm ok with attempting to get in stacks over 3 streets, although if the board was a little more drawy I think you could argue for a flop overbet to setup a turn shove.

Our sizing will leave us with a $230 shove into $280 on the river. Not horrendous, but I think we should maybe eke up flop and turn bets just to make this a little easier. Like even $130 on the turn sets up $200 into $340 which is a little better, imo.

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09-21-2022 , 03:05 PM
Preflop suicide, don't do it

Flop fine. Once you're called size up a bit more, get his stack.
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09-21-2022 , 04:31 PM
I only open 72o from CO, button, or blinds....never middle position. It's also great as a value hand to 4-bet pre when you have a gut feeling someone is 3-betting 62.
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09-21-2022 , 09:19 PM
WTF are you doing pre. Rest of the hand doesn't matter.
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09-21-2022 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by curdanol
I only open 72o from CO, button, or blinds....never middle position. It's also great as a value hand to 4-bet pre when you have a gut feeling someone is 3-betting 62.
That’s like saying you only do fentanyl on the weekend.
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09-21-2022 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey
WTF are you doing pre. Rest of the hand doesn't matter.
This.

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09-22-2022 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
I would use a smaller bet size on the flop (because it's so disconnected), but then size up HUGE on the Turn once it's heads-up. Villain's range is capped (after he just called preflop and on the flop), and we want to put a ton of pressure on his Kx hands. I'd be betting close to the pot (or even over the pot) on the Turn.

Another benefit to betting Really Big on the Turn is it becomes much harder for Villain to bluff-shove; therefore, if he goes all-in, you'll have a much easier fold.
Thx this is great advice.

Result:
Spoiler:
V folds and there's a lot of party poopers itt.
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09-22-2022 , 02:47 AM
I'm just going to pretend you were playing in a 7-2 game where you get a big bonus if you win with that hand.
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09-23-2022 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Thx this is great advice.
Glad you got someone to tell you what you wanted to hear. Sure makes it easier to ignore the criticism, doesn’t it?
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09-23-2022 , 08:26 AM
Guys, I’m pretty sure he knows raising 72o isn’t a +EV play.
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09-23-2022 , 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stupidbanana
Thx this is great advice.

Result:
Spoiler:
V folds and there's a lot of party poopers itt.
I hope you showed just to put Villain way over the edge on tilt and put everyone else at the table on notice that you’re playing everything and you’re catching all the cards tonight. A hand like that is great for the game.
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09-23-2022 , 04:44 PM
By the way, I don’t always tip the dealer, but I try not to be a total cheap bastard either. A hand like this, though, the dealer is definitely getting a nice size tip from me. “Keep ‘em coming, dealer.”
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09-23-2022 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Guys, I’m pretty sure he knows raising 72o isn’t a +EV play.
Agree but when someone starts their anecdote with "so I sh@t in my pants and then went about my day..." and requests feedback, it seems reasonable to expect at least some respondents to say "best thing to do is to not chit in your pants".
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09-23-2022 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Koko the munkey
Glad you got someone to tell you what you wanted to hear. Sure makes it easier to ignore the criticism, doesn’t it?
Easier than having a stick up my a$$ on a poker forum
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09-23-2022 , 09:15 PM
Noob perspective:

lol pre, not even going to comment

Flop: Absolutely must be a bet, but I'm torn on sizing. I think a decent K or good FD would call 60. Would a mediocre FD call that much though? Might size down a bit. I don't hate 50 though. It's almost like when you flop bottom set and you can just print money from an opponent holding top pair.

Turn: Yeah, keep going here. Sizing seems fine. Any K or a sticky FD should continue, maybe even picked up some straight draw equity. And you set up a 60%-pot shove on the river that he might have trouble getting away from if he does have KQ or whatever.
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