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Villain is kscool, a pretty good loose dude. This is the third time in 2 orbits that I squeezed this supershort stack, once showing TT, another he folded. I dunno if kscool saw that because multitabling=awesome. What would you do with TT here? Or AA? AcKc?

Poker Stars $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $609.00
SB: $600.00
BB: $606.00
UTG: $711.00
UTG+1: $687.00
MP1: $2090.80
MP2: $42.65
Hero (CO): $623.40

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with Q

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $18, 1 fold, MP2 calls $18, Hero raises to $66, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $48, MP2 calls $24.65 all in

Flop: ($183.65) 8

(3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG+1 bets $108

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05-12-2010 , 10:19 PM

Rampage_Jackson

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It's a tough spot, cause you figure if he missed he would be check/folding, and if he had a hand he wanted to stack most likely C/R. I doubt he is ever calling AJ oop and then donking on this.

It's possible he could be doing this with TT trying to get you to fold AK/AQ. Also possible he is donking JJ in an attempt to level you.

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05-12-2010 , 10:49 PM

thepizzlefosho

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seems like a good spot to call.

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05-12-2010 , 11:00 PM

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I'd flat I think and reevaluate.

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05-12-2010 , 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rampage_Jackson

It's possible he could be doing this with TT trying to get you to fold AK/AQ.

I think this is unlikely as this would be a really bad play.

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05-13-2010 , 04:30 AM

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would he flat JJ here PF? because given the description of your image so far I'd expect him to 4bet/shove JJ a fair amount...

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05-13-2010 , 08:42 AM

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I think this is unlikely as this would be a really bad play.

Yea, not sure... what do you think his range for donking is?

I'm thinking more that KK might be in there too.

If he has a flush draw, I think the CR would be way more profitable.

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05-13-2010 , 08:43 AM

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because given the description of your image so far I'd expect him to 4bet/shove JJ a fair amount...

Pretty sure he is rarely ever shoving JJ pre given their positions.

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05-13-2010 , 10:00 AM

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Yea, not sure... what do you think his range for donking is?

I'm thinking more that KK might be in there too.

If he has a flush draw, I think the CR would be way more profitable.

I honestly have no idea because imo you probably shouldn't ever have a donking range. I can't imagine any situation where donking is better than checking.

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05-13-2010 , 11:40 AM

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I honestly have no idea because imo you probably shouldn't ever have a donking range. I can't imagine any situation where donking is better than checking.

lol

sometimes a donkbet is the best play by far imo.
of course u have to balance it but it confuses the villain and is also good for ur overall gameplan

back to topic: i think shoving is best here bc there r too many bad turncards and he maybe will stackoff with TT and combodraws

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05-13-2010 , 12:04 PM

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I mean on this hand you goof ball. I didn't mean ever.

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05-13-2010 , 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thepizzlefosho

I mean on this hand you goof ball. I didn't mean ever.

what bout donking KK and AA?

or like AcQx (AcKx)?

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05-13-2010 , 03:03 PM

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what bout donking KK and AA?

or like AcQx (AcKx)?

why? what are you accomplishing by leading? and do you think you're folding out better hands by leading AcKx?

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05-13-2010 , 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thepizzlefosho

why? what are you accomplishing by leading? and do you think you're folding out better hands by leading AcKx?

u fold out AKxx and AQxx (which might bet and makes u fold). and other possible squeezes and u see a turn with initiative when villain flats like TT or QQ
and on the turn u can keep on bluffing when good cards come or valuebet (u have 6 outs for tptk and 9 bdflushouts and maybe a gutter or somethin)

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05-13-2010 , 04:19 PM

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AK is almost never in villains range because he's always stacking it pre. so we really don't even have to worry about it as a possibility.

As for AQ you'd do better by c/shoving where you'd actually potentially fold a better hand (AK), potentially maybe get TT to fold and avoid getting bluff raised by a draw.

I just don't think leading this flop really has any value, and villain shouldn't really have a range. We've come up with one combo (maybe AK as well) that might not be worse as a lead instead of a check, so I really think you'd be better off just not having a donking range.

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05-13-2010 , 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by thepizzlefosho

We've come up with one combo (maybe AK as well) that might not be worse as a lead instead of a check, so I really think you'd be better off just not having a donking range.

AA and KK?

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05-13-2010 , 04:47 PM

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AA and KK?

first off kscool is stacking those pf almost everytime. but if he decided to call why would he lead? what is he afraid of? why wouldn't he c/r?

the precise reason to call these pf is to get value from villains air if he bluffs the flop, and we aren't going to do that if we lead them.

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05-13-2010 , 04:49 PM

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this is all sidetracking the thread. my point is that the lead is bad, so I'm having trouble estimating a range. with a small SPR in a situation where we have an overpair I'm likely going to flat the flop.

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05-13-2010 , 05:23 PM

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shrug, fold

i would call down wiht AA+ for sure, and KK would be probably a tough spot.

This is taking your image into account, for what it's worth. I think this is a tougher spot for some of the looser players in this thread, but for you it is quite simple.

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05-14-2010 , 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by thepizzlefosho

I honestly have no idea because imo you probably shouldn't ever have a donking range. I can't imagine any situation where donking is better than checking.

Yea same, I can't think of a hand where it would be a better line to donk that to c/r which is why giving him a range here is tough. There's not a lot of good hands to call this 3-bet oop with either.

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05-18-2010 , 01:04 AM

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I think your squeeze is too small

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05-18-2010 , 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Penguinz21

I think your squeeze is too small

I mean it's not like he is supposed to set mine 18 -> 66 oop. Why more?

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05-18-2010 , 08:56 PM

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Renton

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his sizing is perfectly fine

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05-19-2010 , 05:50 PM

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i probably fold

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05-19-2010 , 11:01 PM

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guess im nitting but i probably fold

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