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600NL FOld this middle set? 600NL FOld this middle set?

08-25-2008 , 11:18 PM
Vallain is running about 31/20/4/ over 100 hands. His fold to cbet is 100%

I am running about 20/16/4. no history with him so far


Full Tilt Poker $5/$10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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BTN: $2202.00
SB: $1401.00
BB: $1281.00
UTG: $232.00
UTG+1: $917.00
Hero (MP1): $2914.25
MP2: $200.00
CO: $1000.00

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is MP1 with 6 6
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $10, Hero raises to $40, 2 folds, BTN calls $40, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $30

Flop: ($135.00) 4 6 A (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $90, BTN raises to $240, UTG+1 folds, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $440, BTN calls $200

Turn: ($1015.00) K (2 players)
Hero requests TIME, Hero checks, BTN bets $700, Hero requests TIME
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08-26-2008 , 12:12 AM
you should have reraised more on the flop. if he had a flush draw you let him see the turn for 200 more dollars.
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08-26-2008 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by notfreemoney
you should have reraised more on the flop. if he had a flush draw you let him see the turn for 200 more dollars.
I agree, but OP didn't ask for advice on how he should have played the flop.

As played, I think I shove here. I don't think villain HAS to have a flush here. Since the flop reraise was only $200 more into a pot of over $800, villain could have called with just about any hand he was willing to reraise the flop with. I think villain's range includes AQs, AJs, AK -- he could have been raising to protect his top pair on the flop and improved on the turn. Or he could have raised on a semi-bluff with 75 and was given odds to call your flop reraise, and then saw the opportunity to push you off your hand.

Plus, if you're beat, you still have 10 outs to draw out on river. Might as well get the money in on the turn to ensure you'll get paid off, especially if villain is drawing to a high flush.
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08-26-2008 , 12:25 AM
yea the size of the flop 3 bet was way to small. That being said i'm not giving up on the hand just yet, i'm peeling the river and evaluating there. If a blank comes then it's more of a decision depending on villians actions, and if river fills you up its an easy check raise ai giving you the implied odds you needed hopefully if villian truly has the flush.
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08-26-2008 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by leech
I agree, but OP didn't ask for advice on how he should have played the flop.

As played, I think I shove here. I don't think villain HAS to have a flush here. Since the flop reraise was only $200 more into a pot of over $800, villain could have called with just about any hand he was willing to reraise the flop with. I think villain's range includes AQs, AJs, AK -- he could have been raising to protect his top pair on the flop and improved on the turn. Or he could have raised on a semi-bluff with 75 and was given odds to call your flop reraise, and then saw the opportunity to push you off your hand.

Plus, if you're beat, you still have 10 outs to draw out on river. Might as well get the money in on the turn to ensure you'll get paid off, especially if villain is drawing to a high flush.
i'd have to disagree with the push on the turn personally, he's only calling you with a hand that beats you, and at this point you top priority isnt protecting your hand but rather continuing to evaluate the situation and potentially draw to a boat vs his flush with some implied odds as a worst case.
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08-26-2008 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainJack
i'd have to disagree with the push on the turn personally, he's only calling you with a hand that beats you, and at this point you top priority isnt protecting your hand but rather continuing to evaluate the situation and potentially draw to a boat vs his flush with some implied odds as a worst case.
I think villain calls our shove with AxQs and AxJs here, maybe even with 7-5 or 5-3 if he's holding one spade. Villain would need to call $1,000 or so more to win the $3,400 in the pot after our turn all-in, right? Could tempt villain into making a bad call.

On the flip side, it's possible that villain would lay down a baby flush. Not likely, but I've seen some pretty strange laydowns.
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08-26-2008 , 12:56 AM
i see your point as far as stack sizes go. But i just don't see villian calling a 3 bet on the flop with just a pair of aces and a weak backdoor flush draw. Why would he call the 3 bet? If he is essentially semibluffing the turn he must have known on the flop he was behind, it just doesn't add up i think. And if he truly is semibluffing with 35 or 57 here, which would be quite bold indeed, something i'd have a hard time giving the average 600NL fullringer credit for, ill probably evaluate that on the river and give him a chance to bluff his chips off.
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08-26-2008 , 01:56 AM
I think if he had a straight flush draw or a lower set, he would have shoved the flop. I don't think he was raising with just a striaght draw either. I can't think of any other hand that hes betting on the turn other than a flush or AX with a spade that he decide to turn it into a bluff.

If he does have a flush, i will have about 23% equity on the turn. I don't think I can just call the turn here because he will have only $1k left behind and the pot will already be over 3000. Might as well shove. Someone need to do some math about how often he has the flush here.


Btw, it was a 1000NL, not 600 NL not that it matters thgat much

Last edited by gguzman23; 08-26-2008 at 02:14 AM.
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08-26-2008 , 04:54 AM
this is pretty atrocious, but as played you still need to stack his 44/AK
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