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07-12-2008 , 09:53 AM

zedveron

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I'm relatively new at the table so no reads to speak of either way.

I didn't 3bet pre because I don't really want to face a 4th bet with QQ this deep. It would also fold out a good part of his range that I may get value from post-flop.

So we flop gin, now how to proceed?

Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $895.00
BTN: $75.00
Hero (SB): $970.80
BB: $234.00
UTG: $268.65
UTG+1: $430.80
UTG+2: $203.25
MP1: $234.00
MP2: $319.70

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with Q

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $18, 5 folds, Hero calls $15, 1 fold

Flop: ($42.00) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn: ($42.00) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $36, UTG+1 raises to $72, Hero calls $36

River: ($186.00) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $114, UTG+1 raises to $340.80 all in, Hero calls $226.80

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07-12-2008 , 09:59 AM

boltonflats

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Not sure of the flop check, thats a very drawy board, straights, flushes, etc, I think you have to bet the flop here. B/c of no bet on flop, changes whole hand. I don't see him checking AA here on the flop, so could he raise UTG+1 with KJ is the question. Again, donk stack size so who knows.

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07-12-2008 , 10:08 AM

miaowmiaowchowface

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3bet preflop, i don't get the deep comment, and dear god 3bet the turn what are you achieving by calling, make his draws pay (and everything else)

Last edited by miaowmiaowchowface; 07-12-2008 at 10:08 AM. Reason: did he have AA? :)

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07-12-2008 , 10:11 AM

bottomset

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I didn't 3bet pre because I don't really want to face a 4th bet with QQ this deep

he has 75bb which is nowhere near deep

rr the turn

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07-12-2008 , 10:21 AM

13_Xerxes

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I think he thinks that a 3 bet will commit him vs the 75BB deep. And he is not confident to get in.

I reraise the turn and get it in.

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07-12-2008 , 10:29 AM

zedveron

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Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes

I think he thinks that a 3 bet will commit him vs the 75BB deep. And he is not confident to get in.

Correct.

(it's obvious I am a tournament donk because I see 75BB as being luxuriously deep, like a beautiful warm bed made of clouds)

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07-12-2008 , 05:12 PM

jcawley

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i would only take your flop line if we 3bet pf and he flatted. i think leading flop is good here, even a small donk bet vs his donk stack. as played i think reraising the turn is ultra standard

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07-13-2008 , 05:04 AM

SABR42

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I would c/r turn.

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07-13-2008 , 05:17 AM

BT2

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get it in on turn. either way he has KJ.

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07-13-2008 , 07:09 AM

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TucoRamirez

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Originally Posted by SABR42

I would c/r turn.

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07-14-2008 , 11:29 AM

#11

cero_dinero

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+1 c/r turn and also 3bet/get it in pf wtf deep?

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07-19-2008 , 07:37 AM

#12

lewdjunglist

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I like 3 betting pf. Since you didn't, donk bet the flop, continue on the turn...and reship when he does his ghey min-r. I also commit on the turn as played. He either has AA, KJ, or possibly TT....with a minute chance of AcTc or AQ(but unlikely).

So...results?

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07-19-2008 , 09:42 AM

#13

Vinetou

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6max donk here so some questions. those who say donkbet flop - aren't you results oriented? I like turn c/r but betting is good, some of those "whole roll on table ******s" might check an ace on turn. 3bet pf usually but if he was 100BB deep cc is best right?

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07-19-2008 , 01:14 PM

#14

Kelisitaan

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Originally Posted by Vinetou

6max donk here so some questions. those who say donkbet flop - aren't you results oriented? I like turn c/r but betting is good, some of those "whole roll on table ******s" might check an ace on turn. 3bet pf usually but if he was 100BB deep cc is best right?

Not reraising QQ is a crime against humanity.

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07-19-2008 , 07:08 PM

#15

lewdjunglist

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Originally Posted by Kelisitaan

Not reraising QQ is a crime against humanity.

I agree. God actually kills 2 kittens when you don't 3 bet pf in this spot.

When I say donk bet the flop, I'm not being results oriented. If he is calling a 3 bet pf, he's calling a bet on the flop more than likely. Why not get it in sooner? He might even raise if your bet looks dumb/weak.

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07-20-2008 , 03:26 AM

#16

pattay

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calling with QQ pre is sooooooooo much better in position and with a 75BB stack you should be 3betting pretty much 100% in the SB

and uh, wtf with the turn, why wouldnt you want to get as much money as possible in now? just shove that ****, or at least repop something

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07-21-2008 , 04:35 AM

#17

BoyItalia

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Not to beat a dead horse but......Raise the turn

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07-22-2008 , 01:19 PM

#18

Margin Of Error

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3-bet preflop. (villain has 75bb FGS)

bet the flop.

shove the turn.

I'm pretty sure you hit gin when the A came on the turn, so congrats. I think your set line sucks though.

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07-25-2008 , 12:42 PM

#19

TheChad

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beating THE dead horse...
c/r the turn
/thread

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07-26-2008 , 07:25 AM

#20

iponnet

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3bet pre, get it AI on turn,,,

wtf is this dead horse doing here!??!

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07-27-2008 , 02:50 PM

#21

filljenk

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you butchered this entire hand

c/raise turn and commithim to the hand.

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