Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CoOKyMuNstR (SB): $1504.70
HellaStacks_ (BB): $1350.00
Barnicke (UTG): $1762.75
loloPOZZEDu (UTG+1): $720.00
jahwe777 (UTG+2): $600.00
Rounder346 (MP1): $432.15
tqjrtqjr (MP2): $1603.20
Hero (CO): $1336.00
moronforce (BTN): $309.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is CO with J K
5 folds, Hero raises to $18, 1 fold, CoOKyMuNstR calls $15, HellaStacks_ calls $12

Flop: ($54.00) J Q J (3 players)
CoOKyMuNstR checks, HellaStacks_ checks, Hero bets $30, CoOKyMuNstR raises to $78, HellaStacks_ requests TIME, HellaStacks_ raises to $280, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $250, CoOKyMuNstR folds

Turn: ($692.00) 7 (2 players)
HellaStacks_ checks, Hero bets $246, HellaStacks_ raises to $1052 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $792 all in

River: ($2768.00) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $2768.00
HellaStacks_ shows Q J (a full house, Jacks full of Queens)
Hero shows J K (three of a kind, Jacks)
HellaStacks_ wins $2765.00
(Rake: $3.00)

ok so player in SB is nitty and bad so i expect his range to be QK+ to raise the flop, i think hella then 4bets any J, i also fully expect hella to 3bet QQ very close to 100% of the time preflop in this spot and AJ as well although probably not 100% of the time but i'm not sure about that
the problem is obv my line is sik strong here and for him to shove it just has to be QJ exactly right? even tho there are less than 3 combos of QJ (discounted cos SB has a Q sometimes) i am struggling to find 3 combos of hands we beat that wud make this a call, i mean can he ever take this line with K10dd or 910dd?? i haven'tplayed with hella a ton and from what i have seen he seems aggressive in smaller pots but i don't know if he can bluff a double stack here???

I think you should check the turn and as played fold. When you cold call the flop, it's super obvious you have a Jack or full. There's really no value in betting the turn except in charging his straight draws which he won't call anyway.

i agree turn chk is prob better but given that he never has QQ here and AJ rarely i decided i cud get value from J10 and his air if he has any by betting to induce but in hindsight i think turn bet was really pretty bad

Check behind turn for pot control because there isn't much he can call with that you beat.

I imagine everyone in this forum knows what i would do.

(hint: i think to say he cold 3bets flop with any jack is ridiculous)

A pro would river a King here.

Seriously, I think you already were worried about pot control on the turn as evidenced by your 1/3 pot bet. The check is clearly better.

The next question is if you do check behind, what would you have done about a pot-sized river bet into you on the river?

i dunno who renton is but its obvious to me that without even posting anything significant his thoughts are so much more comprehensive of the situation than yours. How on earth do you stack off here for 200 BBs? seriously this is pretty poor.

i really hate that turn bet, since you're pricing in all draws.

i think the chance that he flats a draw on turn is pretty slim.

so what everyone is saying is that his range is exactly 3 combos of QJ and thats it . . . ???

WTF @ the turn? Checking is way better and if you are going to bet and call a shove, you should be betting much more.

checking turn is way better, betting allows villain to play perfectly.

I'm still waiting for people to give reasons as to why a rakeback pro would ever have anything other than QJ or AJ on the flop, when he mashes the pot button deep.

o rly

it's ******ed for JT to continue after 3betting this flop getting called and facing a turnbet from you whatever the size.

however if he's a sick lag he could turn JT into a bluff and shove on you... bad play but even if he did that you should fold if you had his range down correctly.

your turnbet achieved nothing except getting yourself in trouble.

Unless villain is a ****** going broke here is sooooooooooooo bad.

Actually fold flop.

underlying issue....

it's like people think i posted this hand cos i played it well . . .

i prob fold flop tbh

This hand is not interesting at all. It is boring and played really bad.

ya i think i prefer folding flop to calling and chking bk turn to chk decide river

at no point did i say this was interesting or played well . . . .

there is merit in discussion of best line tho i.e. fold flop, raise flop, call flop and turn and river actions

I dunno wat to say about this.

I fold flop any day, everyone is a nit when it comes to flop cold 3 bets.

flop is close, but the fact that I don't mind a call and would consider folding indicates it's a pretty gross spot. turn is an easy check back and then just call his river value bet.

he has 3 outs max on the turn if he has a worse hand, but it is unlikely you are going to get it all if he has worse trips. So you are much better off just checking it back and trying to get him to bluff or get a single value bet on the river.

if you do bet the turn you have to fold to the c/shove because he knows you aren't bluffing so he's never going to try and c/r shove bluff the turn.