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5hr session gone bad w QQ 5hr session gone bad w QQ

12-10-2011 , 09:26 AM
Hi everyone,im fairly new to the forum.Ive been playing low limit stakes online for about the last 1 1/2 yr,and im a break even player.Well i decided to play at my local cardroom last night and i was even after 5hrs.My table image is incredibly nitty and by far the most inactive player,been card dead all night.

2-60 spread limit

Villain plays just about every hand,and just revealed 94 ,and 10 3.I seen him make some really bad plays and all he could talk abt was that he busted out of 2 250$ qualfiers to some big tournament,but i know that hes just not a deep thinker.Seems to be more of a reactor.Villain has about 700$ in chips and raises to 8$ utg.In previous hands ive seen him bet 16 when he had ak and 1010,so i feel that he isnt really strong.Im next to act and look down at QdQs.


Villain UTG (700) Bets 8

Hero utg+1 (128)Raises to 20 with (QdQs)

folds around to villain

villain calls $12



(pot $40)Flop 5h 10h 3c


Villain checks

Hero bets 30

villain calls 30

(pot 100)Turn Ah (prob the worst fkn card in the deck)


villain checks

hero checks


(pot 100) River 7h


Villain checks

hero bets 40$

Villain snap calls

Pot (180)
hero shows QdQS
villain shows
Spoiler:
Ad 5c for two pair no flush,pf i wish i reraised a bit more,but how would you guys have played this hand,and do you think my river bet was correct or no?.


It was dificult to put him on a range,he was playing so much but i thought his range was AJ,A10,A9,KQ,Kj,Qj,66,77,88,99

After the turn im fairly sure that im behind,but villain shows weakness on river,and i thought fireing on the river was going to work more often then not.

I dont think he was thinking abt my pf range at all but im repping at leat ak.

I think its pretty obvious in early position,with how tight ive been playing that my range is ak,aa,kk,qq,jj but i dont think he thinks,lmao.

Last edited by gunder93; 12-10-2011 at 09:40 AM. Reason: forgot suits of my cards
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12-10-2011 , 11:40 AM
STANDARD BAD BEAT


rap the table. Say nice hand. realize you're up against an opponent who calls with nake overcards.

Also, nice thin value bet on the river. I like it. I proabaly thin-value on the turn and maybe check back the river... but I think against this guy QQ is a 3-streets of value hand... even w/ the ace on the board (if he calls the naked ace, he'll also call a naked king)
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12-10-2011 , 11:53 AM
I think I prefer to bet the turn and check back the river....(if he was supper bluffy type guy then check back the turn and bluff catch and /or bet the river)...

I can come up with 3 hands on the turn this guy is calling with that I'm ahead of...(flush draws, even some straight draws he may call) every T...and who knows he might even call with bottom pair (I played against a guy recently who argued they never put you on that when it hits the river)...

If he is more aggressive and might check raise the turn (rare at live low stakes) then checking back to induce bluffs can be bettor....
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12-10-2011 , 12:14 PM
3 bet bigger pre. It is not like your and is disguised, everybody knows you have a monster so just exploit the guy who will never fold pre to the max by making it 30-40. People who play T3 are not in the habit of folding to a 3 bet EVER after opening unless you really make is ridiculously big. Your goal here is just to get as much money into the pot as possible when you have a massive equity edge. This is really simple but a fact that weak/beginning players just can't get their head round. THIS GUY IS NEVER FOLDING PRE SO BET MUCH BIGGER. DON'T BE SCARED OF HIM FOLDING. If you really thought he would fold, try 3 betting with air and see what happens.

I'd pot it on the flop. Again, this guy is with a pretty similar range regardless of our pot size so $50 is a nice round number that doesn't quite have that max bet warning signs attatched. If you had bet bigger pre, You could just 60 here and then the turn is irrelevant because you can bet the rest on any card.

This is far, far more important to get into your head than how to play this turn and river as played.
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12-10-2011 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Richyrich9987
STANDARD BAD BEAT


rap the table. Say nice hand. realize you're up against an opponent who calls with nake overcards.

Also, nice thin value bet on the river. I like it. I proabaly thin-value on the turn and maybe check back the river... but I think against this guy QQ is a 3-streets of value hand... even w/ the ace on the board (if he calls the naked ace, he'll also call a naked king)
You realize OP is turning his hand with showdown value into a bluff on the river, not thin value betting right?
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12-10-2011 , 03:24 PM
The river bet seems horrible - 40 into 100? At least make it a bit bigger so it appears that you're betting for value, and nothing is ever folding that beats you.

As mentioned, raise more pre. This in turn makes your c bet larger.

Next, lick your lips that you're playing someone who flats a 3 bet from the table nit (your description of yourself ) oop with ace rag off. You're gonna have the opportunity to make bucketloads from him in the next few hours
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12-10-2011 , 03:26 PM
don't bluff a level 1 thinking fish? you got a bad board runout, why are you betting river?
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12-10-2011 , 03:39 PM
Bet turn, he still has lots of tens that will call you. I don't like the river bet. Is this a bluff or a value bet? Nothing worse will call. If you're trying to rep a big flush you have to bet more than 40.
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12-11-2011 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
3 bet bigger pre. It is not like your and is disguised, everybody knows you have a monster so just exploit the guy who will never fold pre to the max by making it 30-40. People who play T3 are not in the habit of folding to a 3 bet EVER after opening unless you really make is ridiculously big. Your goal here is just to get as much money into the pot as possible when you have a massive equity edge. This is really simple but a fact that weak/beginning players just can't get their head round. THIS GUY IS NEVER FOLDING PRE SO BET MUCH BIGGER. DON'T BE SCARED OF HIM FOLDING. If you really thought he would fold, try 3 betting with air and see what happens.

I'd pot it on the flop. Again, this guy is with a pretty similar range regardless of our pot size so $50 is a nice round number that doesn't quite have that max bet warning signs attatched. If you had bet bigger pre, You could just 60 here and then the turn is irrelevant because you can bet the rest on any card.

This is far, far more important to get into your head than how to play this turn and river as played.
i totally agree with a larger 3 bet,it wouldve made then hand much easier to play.Its unfortunate that cards ran out as they did because i was gonna get max value.thx
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12-11-2011 , 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Little_blue
I think I prefer to bet the turn and check back the river....(if he was supper bluffy type guy then check back the turn and bluff catch and /or bet the river)...

I can come up with 3 hands on the turn this guy is calling with that I'm ahead of...(flush draws, even some straight draws he may call) every T...and who knows he might even call with bottom pair (I played against a guy recently who argued they never put you on that when it hits the river)...

If he is more aggressive and might check raise the turn (rare at live low stakes) then checking back to induce bluffs can be bettor....
i notice that mostly everyone says bet the turn,and im just curious what u put him on.
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12-11-2011 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Yossarian147
Bet turn, he still has lots of tens that will call you. I don't like the river bet. Is this a bluff or a value bet? Nothing worse will call. If you're trying to rep a big flush you have to bet more than 40.
lots of tens?? i dont think hes entering the pot with a raise w k10 q10 or j10but who knows,i think a10 is the most likely.And the river bet was a bluff in case i was behind.I dont know if u seen but it was a spread limit game 2-60,so i couldve only bet 20 more.And when that 4th heart comes out i feel that if i did have a heart i would never bet the max,so thats y i chose that amt.
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