Alright so table is roughly 6 handed, mostly weak players. I open T9dd UTG+1 to $20, either button or CO flat calls (he's a very tight player) and a fish who does odd things in the BB flat calls as well.
Flop: 4d3d3c
Fish checks I bet 40, other guy folds, fish calls.
Turn: 4d4d3c(9s)
Fish leads $50??? I shove for approx $250 more ($300 total).

How's my play?

I kind of like it....except why did the dealer swap out the flop cards. It seems like the fish called with a 4, but now he has trips. And how did 2 4 end up in the deck? At least you get your money back.

This is Turning Stone I assume. Seems like things have gone south since I last played there.

Stack sizes are kind of important also, and more reads..like how you've been playing...

Oops, turn was 4d3d3c(9s) my bad. But yeah so you like the play etc.?

Good, Standard.

I prefer a turn call I think.

I don't know this sorta seems like a way ahead/way behind type of hand. I'd probably just call the $50 on the turn and pretty much plan on calling any reasonable bet on the river... a river all in would make me stop and think though... if checked to on the river I make a value bet.

-G

Oh... editing to add... yeah the turn bet by villain is odd... I think it usually means monster or he has a 3 or pocket pair below 9 or a very weak 9 at best... I think the all-in on the turn is good only if you think he'll call with a worse hand... but I still prefer a call as raising all in is pretty much telling villain "I have a 4, do you believe me?" sort of move.

ya just call... ya once in a while he's gonna hit a 10-A on you... but f it... just call

you are already ahead of everything he's folding... and he wouldn't bet out 50 there if he had a draw

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i would definitely just call here. whats the point of shoving here? semi bluff or value?

Regardless of whether this is a bluff or for value, it's bad.

As a value bet its bad because he's folding everything we beat and calling with better.

As a bluff it's bad because a fish is unlikely to fold any semi-legit hand in such a big pot, and he has shown some strength so far.

I'd like to hear your thought process behind this play.

I think my shove looks a bit weaker here, and so can be called lighter. Any pair like 55-88 or some sort of 4 would probably still call I think. A lot of rivers suck if the fish isn't folding Jx-Ax. A diamond might be too scary to get any more value anyway. So I definitely think this is for value vs. most of villain's range. Also villain could have a flush draw of his own, which I am way ahead of. TT-AA is unlikely as villain would likely 3 bet these hands. Basically we're only in bad shape vs. 44, 33, and 99. The rest of the range we are ahead of and can get value from.

[edited out because I didn't read].

I don't think you're getting much value here. You have to stretch logic pretty thin to argue that someone will interpret a shove as weaker than a call. Your only real argument here is that you want to get $$ in before the scare diamond card hits, but at the same time, I seriously doubt he's putting in his money with a hand that's behind here. It's possible but in my experience people treat a strong bet as "you're probably bluffing but i fold anyway" -- not "you're probably bluffing so i will shove all my chips into the middle with a low pair"

The 9 is an innocent card that hit you. I'd call, see what the river brings, call a reasonable bet if bet into, and bet if checked to.