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09-30-2014 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by battagd1
I think I knew the answer to my question but just needed confirmation from other players. Isn't this one of the reasons this forum is around?
I think Squidooo is taking issues with you saying you are the second most winning player in the game, but you play bad hands in raised pots and asked about a relatively easy spot post (and pre really). Your second most winning thing was pretty much a humble brag. I can tell you first hand that Squidooo is one of the finest players ITF, and rather than dragging on what he said you should make friends and follow any advice he dishes you.

But yes, the forum exists to learn. Just take it a little easier on the brags, bruh. You'll find posting here a more pleasant experience.
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09-30-2014 , 04:52 PM
my man. I wish you the best of luck. I will state a few facts for you. Most players think they are like you and "up overall" in their game. Beating poker and making money does not happen by accident. It takes hard work, focus, dedication, and brutal self honesty and reflection. Unfortunately you have shown none of these traits.

Again getting in 20% of your effective stack with garbage cuz you can crack their overpair is incredible fish think.

I am not trying to be a tool here I simple call em as I see em. Right now I see a fish on a heater
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09-30-2014 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
my man. I wish you the best of luck. I will state a few facts for you. Most players think they are like you and "up overall" in their game. Beating poker and making money does not happen by accident. It takes hard work, focus, dedication, and brutal self honesty and reflection. Unfortunately you have shown none of these traits.

Again getting in 20% of your effective stack with garbage cuz you can crack their overpair is incredible fish think.

I am not trying to be a tool here I simple call em as I see em. Right now I see a fish on a heater
How can someone that is as good as your buddy says you are, categorizing a player based on one hand where the title itself states that I should have folded?

Not trying to be a tool myself as I'm truly appreciative of your feedback but at the same time you are taking a pretty strong line based on a very small sample size (one hand).
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09-30-2014 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
I think Squidooo is taking issues with you saying you are the second most winning player in the game, but you play bad hands in raised pots and asked about a relatively easy spot post (and pre really). Your second most winning thing was pretty much a humble brag. I can tell you first hand that Squidooo is one of the finest players ITF, and rather than dragging on what he said you should make friends and follow any advice he dishes you.

But yes, the forum exists to learn. Just take it a little easier on the brags, bruh. You'll find posting here a more pleasant experience.
I wasn't bragging but providing info on the game I play and trying to paint a picture for it. I have been very honest with myself by putting myself in the beginner category where I know I belong.
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09-30-2014 , 05:20 PM
If you are trolling I give you congrats. But I will in fact take the time to give you my list

1. "played in this game for a few months up overall prolly second best winner". This is classic fish speak delusional thinking. No detailed records. Very different than I have logged 824 hrs in this game with a net win of 1628.

2. ZERO positional awareness
3. No concept of hand values
4. No understanding of implied odds/direct odds/spr/etc
5. No understanding of how trivial your post flop call is based on your many preflop mistakes that compounded themselves

Finally I have been on the scene for a very long time and have seen countless player types. Unfortunately you fit a certain profile that is very fishy based on my 5 points above
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09-30-2014 , 05:21 PM
I believe my man squid is basing his opinion on the things that you stated. You said you purposely play bad hands because you can crack big hands. You did so in the HH. He put the 2 and the 2 together, yo.
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09-30-2014 , 05:22 PM
also wat ace said I did teh maths too plus too
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09-30-2014 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Reads like, "I purposely spew and show that I spew so that they will pay me off those few times that I have it."


Sigh....



preflop is indeed all kinds of spew. It's ESPECIALLY spew if you don't know what to do on this flop with this action.

Your responses are based on your results. 6 months of results. That's a tiny sample. I promise that's just variance. It isn't actually "working." You're going to come back to Earth playing like this and the ground is going to be very very hard.

You're like Vesuvius and your money is the lava.
Spikeraw is being harsh here, but he's right and I know he is trying to help. As a normal rule, players learn to play TAG FIRST, then, we as players get more confidence in our skill and loosen up. Start tracking your hours played and money won and lost. BE HONEST. this will help you considerably. READ ALL THE STICKIES. Try reading "Playing the Player" by Ed Miller. It helped me. First you're going to want to get the basics down, though. A ton of information is here, and I suggest you read all of it that's relevant if you want to be a winning LLSNL player.
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09-30-2014 , 05:36 PM
Thanks Chop.

Not sure what to think of Squids comments...I guess we are not in same page and that's fine.

I posted my hand looking for constructive help knowing my skill level. Didn't claim to be a pro.

I will start tracking hrs and profits as I agree it will keep me honest.

When you have a small group of players it's not hard to know who's winning and loosing but agree that by tracking it i will have real picture of my results.

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09-30-2014 , 05:52 PM
OTOH... guise...

This is a home game. Presumably, where folks are going to have a good time.

I play in a home game that is a colossal shyte-show. The play is atrocious. I pretty much play every single hand dealt to the flop (unless it goes, 5b, 6b, ). I don't win every night, but I win a hell of a lot more then I lose.

But if I locked it down and played my casino A-game, with my only goal to crush and win money... well, I would not be invited back, month after month. And I wouldn't want to go back. I wouldn't want to have to face those guys and tell them that I'm just there to take $$$ off of them.

And even if it wasn't a social event. Some of the "for profit" home games I've been too didn't last very long because the fish eventually figure out who's there to crush them. (Or the fish just run out of $$$.) (It would be great to find a "for profit" home game with an ample supply of fish... I keep looking... )

IMO, there are times where you have to play badly, and play some trash, and give action (and know you're playing badly and know you're playing trash) to keep the game good. Make some small mistakes preflop, because our opponents make huge mistakes post flop.

We can probably cut OP some slack here. He even submitted in the title, "fold pre".

Usually we cannot ignore mistakes made early in the hand. It is bad policy. I think everyone agrees here... lol... fold pre. But as played OTF, the call is fine.
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09-30-2014 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
OTOH... guise...

This is a home game. Presumably, where folks are going to have a good time.

I play in a home game that is a colossal shyte-show. The play is atrocious. I pretty much play every single hand dealt to the flop (unless it goes, 5b, 6b, ). I don't win every night, but I win a hell of a lot more then I lose.

But if I locked it down and played my casino A-game, with my only goal to crush and win money... well, I would not be invited back, month after month. And I wouldn't want to go back. I wouldn't want to have to face those guys and tell them that I'm just there to take $$$ off of them.

And even if it wasn't a social event. Some of the "for profit" home games I've been too didn't last very long because the fish eventually figure out who's there to crush them. (Or the fish just run out of $$$.) (It would be great to find a "for profit" home game with an ample supply of fish... I keep looking... )

IMO, there are times where you have to play badly, and play some trash, and give action (and know you're playing badly and know you're playing trash) to keep the game good. Make some small mistakes preflop, because our opponents make huge mistakes post flop.

We can probably cut OP some slack here. He even submitted in the title, "fold pre".

Usually we cannot ignore mistakes made early in the hand. It is bad policy. I think everyone agrees here... lol... fold pre. But as played OTF, the call is fine.
Thank you! I will continue to post and welcome feedback.
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09-30-2014 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
OTOH... guise...

This is a home game. Presumably, where folks are going to have a good time.

I play in a home game that is a colossal shyte-show. The play is atrocious. I pretty much play every single hand dealt to the flop (unless it goes, 5b, 6b, ). I don't win every night, but I win a hell of a lot more then I lose.

But if I locked it down and played my casino A-game, with my only goal to crush and win money... well, I would not be invited back, month after month. And I wouldn't want to go back. I wouldn't want to have to face those guys and tell them that I'm just there to take $$$ off of them.
Can't you just take mega-marginal winning spots (such as limping in with Kx sooted, Ax; calling too-small 3bets with QTs or 78s; etc.) instead of playing trash with no odds just because? I think you can be a winning player playing like 30-40% of hands in a game like that, because it's so terrible. You just have to know how to do it.

There's no reason to play hands that are genuinely spew.
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