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09-03-2010 , 01:22 AM
Some comical Jersey City, NJ home game. I arrive in a good mood after managing to avoid getting shot/mugged between my car and the building.

$.50-$1.00 NL
Hero $98
Villain roughly same

My first revolution of the table. Several people at the game know me, I'm TAG solid, somewhat ABC. Villain is unknown, he's a middle aged guy with an Austrailian accent, seems loud and boisterous, at the game to have fun more than anything.

Hero UTG+1
Villain BB

UTG limps
Hero limps with black QQ (2p2's favorite move baby!)
two others limp
Villain pops to $3
blinds fold to Hero, Hero limp/raises it to $12
Villain calls, pot is $26.50

Ah-Kh-Qx
Villian checks
Hero bets $16
Villain, in the tank for two minutes, calls

Turn Tx, pot $58.50

Villain checks, Hero?
Plan for rest of hand?
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09-03-2010 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Some comical Jersey City, NJ home game. I arrive in a good mood after managing to avoid getting shot/mugged between my car and the building.

$.50-$1.00 NL
Hero $98
Villain roughly same

My first revolution of the table. Several people at the game know me, I'm TAG solid, somewhat ABC. Villain is unknown, he's a middle aged guy with an Austrailian accent, seems loud and boisterous, at the game to have fun more than anything.

Hero UTG+1
Villain BB

UTG limps
Hero limps with black QQ (2p2's favorite move baby!)
two others limp
Villain pops to $3
blinds fold to Hero, Hero limp/raises it to $12
Villain calls, pot is $26.50

Ah-Kh-Qx
Villian checks
Hero bets $16
Villain, in the tank for two minutes, calls

Turn Tx, pot $58.50

Villain checks, Hero?
Plan for rest of hand?
pre:

i think limp re raising is terrible given the fact that the majority of the table are likely limptards/ and or it is possible that this is going to be a limped pot. limp re raising basically turns our hand face up to anyone who has played poker for more than 6 months and unless you are doing some crazy balancing (i mean its .5/1 no one is paying attention to balancing) people are going to assign a very polarized range to you.

The reason why why we limp reraise is to siginificantly reduce SPR/and or pick up a lot of dead money like in a splash pot. its also better in low blind play scenarios where we can get AIPF.

bet more on flop
check turn hope board pairs and hope to check it to river if it doesnt. villian is checking turn donking river with pair+J combos almost 100% so fold river if that happens.
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09-03-2010 , 01:42 AM
If no one is paying attention to balancing here, it's fair to assume that at least some of the table isn't bright enough to attach a range to the limp raise either.

No idea yet on table dynamics other than knowing that a couple of the eight other players know my game and what type of player I am. I would say it is unlikely but not impossible that it would get limped around.
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09-03-2010 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
If no one is paying attention to balancing here, it's fair to assume that at least some of the table isn't bright enough to attach a range to the limp raise either.

No idea yet on table dynamics other than knowing that a couple of the eight other players know my game and what type of player I am. I would say it is unlikely but not impossible that it would get limped around.
i'd say that balancing is a far more sophisticated concept than limp/ reraising. i have seen people limp/reraise with aa-jj all the time but almost never ever see people significantly balance their lines at .50/1-1/2
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09-03-2010 , 02:01 AM
i raise/4b pre.

as played, check turn. ldo. What are you getting called by now that you beat? KTs?
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09-03-2010 , 02:46 AM
Here's the issue will he pay us off here with 2 pair? Or even Ax? If we think he does hen I vb turn all day. What combo of j can he be repping? Now of we think he wot pay us off check behind and let him to fire river or we vb river.

We are assuming he has aj or j10 here right? Given flop action it makes most sense unless vil is bad then iguess he can have kj or qj
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09-03-2010 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by medonkyou
i raise/4b pre.

as played, check turn. ldo. What are you getting called by now that you beat? KTs?
I'm aware the four-card straight changes the hand dynamic. Generally standard to check behind if he checks the turn, but, we need a plan for the rest of the hand, i.e. if the river bricks, if it's a heart, whether he leads into us or checks again, etc.

Raise/4-bet pre is fine and obviously a viable line, however I elected to go for the l/r in this spot.
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09-03-2010 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MK7749
Here's the issue will he pay us off here with 2 pair? Or even Ax? If we think he does hen I vb turn all day. What combo of j can he be repping? Now of we think he wot pay us off check behind and let him to fire river or we vb river.

We are assuming he has aj or j10 here right? Given flop action it makes most sense unless vil is bad then iguess he can have kj or qj
.50/1 players are so bad they could have j7s and j8o here but if he could have those then he coudl have anything obviouly. check behind and fold to river donk
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09-03-2010 , 05:27 PM
Turn went check/check as predicted, his was fairly quick, as opposed to his hesitant flop check and lengthy amount of time before he called.

River was an offsuit 2.
Villain quickly checks.
I'm open to comments about the river, but at this point it was clear IMO that he's either got a missed heart draw, or some dumb pair like Kx, Qx, or Tx, and can't possibly call much.
I elect to go for ultra thin/amusing value and fire in $10 to force a call from naked Ax or Kx.

Villain calls and shows T9o, I drag pot.
Off topic but since it's a hot-button issue lately in this forum, all of you in the never-limp-raise-because-your-hand-is-faceup camp, keep this guy's holding in mind when you claim that no one will ever give you action on the l/r
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09-03-2010 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Turn went check/check as predicted, his was fairly quick, as opposed to his hesitant flop check and lengthy amount of time before he called.

River was an offsuit 2.
Villain quickly checks.
I'm open to comments about the river, but at this point it was clear IMO that he's either got a missed heart draw, or some dumb pair like Kx, Qx, or Tx, and can't possibly call much.
I elect to go for ultra thin/amusing value and fire in $10 to force a call from naked Ax or Kx.

Villain calls and shows T9o, I drag pot.
Off topic but since it's a hot-button issue lately in this forum, all of you in the never-limp-raise-because-your-hand-is-faceup camp, keep this guy's holding in mind when you claim that no one will ever give you action on the l/r

WP op aside from l/r lol jk. obviously it worked out for you this time and do it all day if your opponets are like this villian. like the value you got on river.
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