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5/T NL Bluff Line with 54s 5/T NL Bluff Line with 54s

11-11-2022 , 12:43 PM
Always fun to post bluff lines on here to get roasted. Let’s see what we get.

Game: 5-T no limit home game. 9 handed. This isn’t a particularly big 5-T game. It’s technically uncapped but plays more like the shallow 5-T structure at the Bellagio with most people buying in for 1k or 1.5k. No huge whales tonight.

OTTH

V1(1000) generally loose aggressive. Usually play with him in the 2/5 streets. Seems uncharacteristically passive today and only bought in for the min.

V2 (1600) tight passive. Usually plays 1/3 or 2/5. Replaced another player who left early and bought out all of his chips. Sitting deeper than usual by a pretty big margin.

H (2000) laggier side of tag. Never limps. Rarely calls pre. Squeezes more than most. Generally putting more money in the pot than other players.

V1 limps for 10 in EP. He almost always raises pre. I know this is a trash hand.

Folds to me on the BU with 54cc. I make it $40.

V2 cold calls in the SB. I don’t expect V2 to 3b very often. I’ve seen him flat hands as strong as JJ and AQ in similar formations.

3 ways to flop ($150) Jd8d3c.

Checks to me I bet 1/3 pot for $50 on this middling board with my back door straight and flush draws.

Theoretically I should be betting bigger on this drawy board but exploitatively I can set my own price for my back door draws and stay relatively uncapped. Lots of good turns for me to continue on like any club, A, K, 2, or 6.

Both call.

3 ways to turn ($300) 2s giving me open ended.

Checks to me again and I ramp up the sizing to $215.

V2 folds quickly. V1 tank calls.

Heads up to river ($730) Js.

V1 checks to me.

Well, on its face this is a pretty bad card. V1 can have some Jx. However, when V1 limps in ep I don’t think he ever has a Jx stronger than JT or QJ. I also think he has low suited aces, suited connectors, 44 55 and 77 here a decent portion. I think V1 gets to the river here with a reasonable amount of this range, including bricked diamonds, T9, 8x, and small pocket pairs. I’m sitting here with 5 high, unblock diamonds, and lose to every bricked draw and bad pair that he has. I can reasonably rep Jx, 99, TT, and overpairs.

H bets $300.

Thoughts?


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11-11-2022 , 12:51 PM
I like the idea of having a smaller (think $300 is good) and bigger ($600ish) on this river, question is where does this hand fit in, which I 100% think we need to bluff. I think I like the smaller bet size, and reserve the bigger one to our better blocking hands, like t9s that blocks jxs and AK/AQ that could conceivably get here. I think this is well played.
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11-11-2022 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ojsimpson32
I like the idea of having a smaller (think $300 is good) and bigger ($600ish) on this river, question is where does this hand fit in, which I 100% think we need to bluff. I think I like the smaller bet size, and reserve the bigger one to our better blocking hands, like t9s that blocks jxs and AK/AQ that could conceivably get here. I think this is well played.

I agree with the split sizing and was debating both sizes you referenced.

My thoughts on the smaller size: I don’t think this player is folding Jx to a larger sizing regardless. I don’t want to polarize my range to Jx or nothing. I want to be able to conceivably represent thin value with overpairs, TT, and 99. I think he folds most hands other than Jx reasonably often to a smaller size and snap folds bricked draws. Also, I don’t think there is much risk of V1 shipping it over my raise with a bluff (that still beats me) because stacks are still very shallow.


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11-11-2022 , 01:24 PM
I think i just check this flop vs 2 opponents and hope to pick up some equity on turn to start bluffing.

As played, i like your small bet 300-350$, make him fold A high and under. We are not trying to fold out a J, if he had 3xdd he should be folding to a small sizing too.
Betting big is spewy imo.
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11-11-2022 , 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe-exotic69
I think i just check this flop vs 2 opponents and hope to pick up some equity on turn to start bluffing.
What strong hands would you check the flop back with and then bet turn and river on this runout?

Doesn't happen very often but 54 is the nut low on that board I think? With FDs, T9s and a couple wheel draws busting and other low Ax hands having only a very weak pair, I think we have to bet the river. The question is if villain really thinks we're uncapped after our small flop bet.
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11-11-2022 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
What strong hands would you check the flop back with and then bet turn and river on this runout?

Doesn't happen very often but 54 is the nut low on that board I think? With FDs, T9s and a couple wheel draws busting and other low Ax hands having only a very weak pair, I think we have to bet the river. The question is if villain really thinks we're uncapped after our small flop bet.

Ha. Didn’t even realize at the time that 54 is the nut low. Definitely the worst hand I end up at the river with. Kinda funny.


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11-11-2022 , 05:22 PM
Looks fine
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11-11-2022 , 06:11 PM
Nice hand, well played. Perfect bet size on the end too—betting Big is a mistake.

Only issue I have is that your flop bet is too low. You’d be betting your value hands big here, so your bluffs should be big too.
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11-11-2022 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
What strong hands would you check the flop back with and then bet turn and river on this runout?
HU this is a must bet with , vs 2 opponents it is much more likely that at least one hit this flop pretty hard. Im checking back overpairs alot here so checking back the nut low is not super terrible.

Edit: im also checking back TT, 99 , a weak Jack sometimes like JT or J9, all of which i would def bet turn, bet river with.

I agree with Davo that the flop bet size doesnt really make sense. If your gonna bet, make it at least 2/3 pot to get some fold equity. If your not comfortable betting that big on this flop then just check it back.

Last edited by Joe-exotic69; 11-11-2022 at 08:01 PM.
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11-11-2022 , 09:15 PM
Distinct lack of flaming tbh. Kind of disappointed. I’ll take the flop size being too small as a learning moment. While I knew I should bet bigger in theory based on flop texture, I went exploitatively smaller. Could find a middle ground and just bet 1/2 pot.


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11-28-2022 , 04:09 AM
Results?
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11-28-2022 , 12:36 PM
Results: got snap called by JTo. Nice hand sir.


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11-28-2022 , 03:06 PM
Nicely played overall but I would check flop. Way too ambitious at this shallow depth. We have so many hands to cbet with here just check and delay till the turn…
It is even worse when it is three ways including a strong sb range
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