It's something like 5 am on a 1/3 Mississippi straddle table. We keep getting these amateur 'pro' dudes coming to our table buying in deep and acting as the bully. So far we've crushed them (We as in a me and two other dudes I've been with all night)

Hero (1700): Playing TAG. Not sure how to value hands pre at a table this short, so has blead some stack off floating and fit/folding too much. Looking pretty weak to the new bully. Recently tightened back up to near my full table pre raising/calling range. Getting tired of his antics, I've started playing back at him a bet with 3-bets to his straddle raises. The dynamic is getting tricky.

Bully (1500): Straddle 75% of hands. Getting tilting from my 3-bets, and beginning to spew as a result to others. I'm hoping my turn will be soon.
Another dude who thinks his stack buys him respect.

He and I have 3 bet each other 4-5 times in the past 30 mins. Only one hand made it to the flop to this point, and he folded to a c-bet.

Hand: Hero UTG AK (Sweet, an actual hand with which i don't need to bluff)

Hero raises to 20, poor sap calls, Bully 3-bets 60, Hero 4-bets 145 (I want him to call), poor sap slinks away, Bully calls.

Flop (310): 3K5

Hero Checks, V Checks (I read posts from Mods here about pot controlling on flop... I don't really want a pot >700 going to the river with 1 pair here. I think checking on such a dry flop gives his (junk hand) time to grab some equity to float my turn bet of ~150. His range is so damn wide here that I don't want to blow him out.

Turn (310): 10

Hero bets 150.

Any tips on how to continue to get value from a tilty V whose range includes a high percentage of garbage? Can I check a second time?

dont pot control for the sake of pot control

You didn't want a $700 pot going to the river but you decided to 4b pre...why?

Its a good question... Feeling a bit silly ATM. He and I waged our wars pre-flop predominantly. Thinking now, I probably got a bit carried away, should have let him take the lead by flatting his 3-bet.

the reason we typically don't like 250bb pots on the river with 1p is that typically villains don't get 125bb in with worse 1p

this is not a typical villain

strap yourself in and pump that pot

OP, your thinking is a bit upside down on this one.

When you 4bet there was 35 BB to be won, you had AKs OOP and you wanted to be called? Taking down 35 BB (incl 7 BB you contributed) without seeing a flop would be a nice result.

I would 4 bet to 180 against this villain. If you get called and flop TPTK then your commitment is that much more comfortable compared to 145.

If he calls 180, you'd have pot of 380 and eff stack of 1320. A reasonable plan from here on this flop would be 190 into 380, 380 into 760, and 750 into 1520. Sweet combinations of value and inducement all in one.

AP, I think I'd go 3/4 pot, 3/4 pot, jam. Not sure why you want to check.

I like the flop check and would check the turn as well unless you're comfortable folding if raised, which I don't think we are.

EDIT: I don't really understand what hands we're targeting with a bet/bet/bet line, or even a check/bet/bet line. Most likely he has AA+ and we are behind or he has an underpair or nothing and is check/folding or calling at most one street. The only thing he's likely to pay off multiple streets with is a worse king, but does he really have that hand very often. If we had KK on a low or Q-high board I would like betting multiple streets much more.

this.

you have him where you want him. AK is gold

+1

4bet to $200, i wanna charge him for peeling IP. he won't fold anyway

betting flop with intention of usually c/c'ing turn if called, but not necessarily to pot control, moreso to extract max from floats & pairs he could turn to bluffs

Is this at Beau Rivage?

Harrah's NOLA

cbet flop or x flop is fine.

cbet flop he prob wont fold any middling pairs up to JJ-QQ on this flop since it's dry. Depending on how good he is, he'll fold the bottom-mid portion of this range if he doesn't think you have a 4b bluff range.

xc works also but I prefer having a bdfd with it.

as played, lead turn bigger ($200ish) instead of half pot. I prefer bet/bet/shove in this spot for the most part though. if you're really ****scared of playing so deep, xc 3 streets on safe runouts vs reasonable bets is fine. donking rivers works well too.

From reading your OP I get the feeling you're trying to make this too much of an ego game. I don't know if that's smart. Especially when you limit your wanting to be a badass to your pre-flop game and then slow down post-flop.

I dunno, maybe it's me. It's just a feeling I got from your OP.

I had a somewhat similar thouggt--that we're playing a bit of table sheriff here. BUT: I don't have any big problems with the way the hand was played so far.

Preflop is clearly correct. As for the flop check, I think it is fine. Betting is the obvious play, but it's really hard for V to have a hand he can call with. So I don't mind checking to try to open up his calling range, or maybe catch something on the turn.

In this case, I'm not sure pot controlling is sufficient justification for a check. We are OOP and with a bet on the turn, a river shove over a bet is going to be a reasonable size. So stacks can get in despite our check, making our effort to pot control somewhat ineffective.

I see your point, but I didn't want to turn my hand in to a bluff here, hence the smaller 4-bet.
Checking turn was Pot control, but more to give him a chance to make a move. I thought a C-bet would blow him out.
I wasn't willing to let him get 2 free cards however, and therefore went 1/2 pot on the turn.

Definitely a bit of sheriffing and ego tripping. But I had such a good feel for this table... so I got cute.

I think the c-bet would be fine, i think check was fine. I felt so far ahead at this point that I let him see a free card.

I just wonder if checking the turn would have been better that 1/2 pot.
Under normal conditions, its 1/2-2/3 cbet, but these weren't normal conditions.

don`t 4bet if you don`t bet this beautiful flop ..

bet flop 160
bet turn 360

I get the merit of the flop check, but with this dynamic don't we want to bluff this flop with a lot of our perceived 4bet range? I just think challenging this bully with a 1/4 pot bet is better than checking. (I like bigger bets too) no way does a chip bully want to lose face by wilting under a lol small cbet. Why not try to induce a bluff or a float?

Can't we have AQ here and don't really want to be betting that hand.