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05-02-2013 , 01:47 AM

The Face

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 163

HJ - 1500
CO - 2500
UTG Straddle - 1200

HJ and CO are both solid tags, play position, and dont view me as bluffy.

HJ opens to 35, CO flats 35, blinds fold, I call 25 more out of straddle with KsQs.

($115) Flop: 8c 7d 5c

I check, HJ checks, CO bets 75, i C/R to 225, HJ folds, CO thinks for awhile and calls.

($565) Turn: 8c 7d 5c 9s

Hero???

part of me wants to shut it down after i'm called. part of me wants to barrel certain turn cards. thoughts on plans for future streets?

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05-02-2013 , 02:23 AM

Ayodeji13

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 232

This is a great turn to pot!

pot pot pot pot pot the turn

You have a great image, and this is a great card for you to rep.

If your called, shut down on the river unless you improve.

Did I mention pot the turn?

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05-02-2013 , 07:16 AM

LucidDream

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Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 10,714

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Originally Posted by Ayodeji13

This is a great turn to pot!

pot pot pot pot pot the turn

You have a great image, and this is a great card for you to rep.

If your called, shut down on the river unless you improve.

Did I mention pot the turn?

dont do this

fold flop

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05-02-2013 , 08:35 AM

JemY

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 141

Hate the flop c/r with no backdoor equity against likely bad players (2 solid tags in the same 5/5 game ? sure)
C/F now

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05-02-2013 , 09:33 AM

Rochefort8

centurion

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 114

Just fold the flop, it hits the CO flatting range pretty hard if he's a TAG, your oop, HJ still to act, your have very little(if any) equity to keep barreling if called. Pure bluff in position when others have shown weakness and that they can fold.

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05-02-2013 , 09:33 AM

Pug Walker

adept

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 854

Yeah I'm not feeling the flop c/r.
Its a super coordinated board... tons of 2p/sets/wombo combo draws etc. out there.

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05-02-2013 , 10:16 AM

ThaNEWPr0fess0r

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,830

I like the C/r way more if it is the HJ who is betting the flop not the CO. Since that way he will have a bunch of over pairs and un-improved high cards in his range (hands that can't really stand to call). When the CO bets here, he is way more likely to have hit the flop then if he PFR takes a stab.

But yeah, I don't usually c/r the flop with total air regardless of my image. I would probably shut it down here.

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05-02-2013 , 11:05 AM

Hand Shaker

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3,094

If you're getting that creative itch...better to 3b pre, then start unloading the gun.

Like JemY said, we have no back doors.

Plus, on a super connected / flushed board, our hand will look like a flush draw, combo draw a bunch.

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05-02-2013 , 11:14 AM

ATsai

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2,409

Please check/fold flop.

As played, bomb the turn $400+ because you should have more 6x in your perceived range than TAG CO has in his range.

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05-03-2013 , 03:15 PM

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Ayodeji13

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Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 232

Wow....I totally thought he had KQcc when I initially read the thread.

Yo soy un ******...

Anyway, yeah its a no brainer fold on the flop....

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05-13-2013 , 01:33 AM

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The Face

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 163

lol at everyone saying fold the flop.

i obviously fold this flop 95% of the time.

but overcards have equity too.

especially against a field better who could just be stabbing in position vs a missed cbet on a board that looks to have missed the preflop raiser.

so i assume this can be an okay spot to c/r a non-zero % of the time, so that said, what is our optimal line for variable turn and rivers? board pairs? clubs? straights? bricks?

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05-13-2013 , 05:57 AM

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jambre

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,181

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Originally Posted by The Face

You don't have particularly great equity vs his missed overs range.
You have very poor equity vs his range that hits this board.
You can only rely on fold equity in this hand, so i'd much rather fold the flop with no backdoors at all.

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05-13-2013 , 08:29 AM

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DrChesspain

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Originally Posted by The Face

Have you bothered to try to create a range for the "solid tag" who flatted from the CO and is now betting this flop? Have you also bothered to try to figured out on what range he would create for you for calling the preflop raise from the straddle?

Or are all of you playing Level 0 poker?

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05-13-2013 , 11:52 AM

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The Rumor

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I'd rather 3 bet pre vs their presumably not super tight CO raising and button calling range than bluff the flop with no draw outs.

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