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5/5 Top set facing large donk bet on 4-straight board 5/5 Top set facing large donk bet on 4-straight board

06-17-2018 , 02:50 PM
5/5 at the Bike

3am, old table just broke. No reads on main villain who is UTG, middle-aged Middle Eastern gentlemen, well dressed, expensive looking watch, sitting on ~$2600. Hero barely covers.

Hero w/ KK in CO
UTG limps
Hero raises to 30
SB, BB, UTG call

Flop [$120]: K42
Checks to Hero, who bets 50
SB, BB, UTG call

Turn [$320]: 5
Checks to Hero, who bets 140
BB, UTG call

River [$740]: A
BB checks, UTG leads for 350
Hero?

My turn sizing is terrible, after 3 callers OTF, at least one of them was on a FD, I should've bombed a brick turn for at least 250. In my defense it was 3am, at the tail end of an 11 hour session and I couldn't maths

I don't think villain's donk into 2 people OTR is ever a bluff here, esp. into a PFR who opened pre and barreled 2 streets. Is this always 35s, A3s here? Could he have 22/44/55 here as well? I would imagine everything other than 35s would be raising turn, especially after BB calls on what is likely a heart draw?
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06-17-2018 , 03:16 PM
I like bigger sizings on every street. you're missing out on so much value.

As played I'm calling the river. He can have enough Ax of hearts that he's trying to set his showdown price with. I feel like a 3 sizes a bit larger as well.
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06-17-2018 , 04:17 PM
Flop and turn should be bigger. With multiple opponents and both straight and flush draws possible go $70 on the flop. With top set I would push it bigger, you don't want to push out the many middle pairs yet.

As played I probably call river just because you invited so many hands along. Your sizing is so odd that AX flush draws may think they are good or can bluff you off and two pair likely thinks they are good. It's a very value bet though I can could get behind folding also.
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06-17-2018 , 09:27 PM
Some combos that beat Hero: 53s/Ah3h which total 4. Maybe Ac3c also?

There are 3 combos of AK that are behind, and if we consider AhXh draws that missed but think river is good, I'd make a crying call getting >3-1. Hand is vastly under-repped.
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06-17-2018 , 11:18 PM
Does this guy really play 53 UTG? If not we're just behind A3, which I think would raise the turn given the better draws other players could have.

Either way I'm calling it off unless this is a 90 year old man who only would lead with a better hand here.

Sizing is bad on flop (try 80) and especially turn (try 250).

You're missing a ton of value from draws that will still call given stack depths plus you make it hard to get stacks in when you boat up OTR.
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06-18-2018 , 12:04 AM
I'm calling. He'll have all the combos of 3x hands you mentioned, but he will occasionally show up with some weird 2-pair, an oddly played set, and bluffs.
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06-18-2018 , 12:28 AM
Feels like a blocking bet. Is our hand really just a bluffcatcher?

Are we just subjected to calling to the price set by V? Can we min-raise/fold to this sizing or any sizing to avoid losing so much value OTR?

Can we raise if V donks 150-200?
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06-18-2018 , 01:17 AM
flop bet is only slightly small. i'd bet $60-65 there.

turn bet is way small. i'd make it 2 bills. sounds like you should be more disciplined with playing tired.

river is a definite call, particularly given the river card is an A. the scenario where villain makes 2p on the river and leads out is too common to fold.
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06-18-2018 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by HomelessPizza
Feels like a blocking bet. Is our hand really just a bluffcatcher?

Are we just subjected to calling to the price set by V? Can we min-raise/fold to this sizing or any sizing to avoid losing so much value OTR?

Can we raise if V donks 150-200?
If it's a blocking bet he is definitely folding to a raise right?
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06-18-2018 , 04:13 AM
Yea, bet bigger otf ott, as played i raise river 1200, we lose only 35

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06-18-2018 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by friedrice88
Yea, bet bigger otf ott, as played i raise river 1200, we lose only 35

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No. We lose to any hand containing a 3.

Definitely bigger on first two streets (for me, $80-$85 OTF and $250 does seem good on the turn).

And unfortunately out hand is a bluff catcher only so raising would be a big spew IMO...I don't even think lower sets call a raise here so there are no value hands that V can hold that we beat AND will call.
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06-19-2018 , 12:20 PM
Thanks for the feedback fellas. Here's the results for anyone interested:

Spoiler:
Hero calls 350, BB folds. UTG tables 35 for flopped OESD and rivered wheel straight
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06-19-2018 , 02:34 PM
Hi,

Bet more flop and turn. River is call 100% and NH to this gentleman who limp-calls 35o in a pure Bike style.

Good line tho.
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