Hi all.
These hand wasn't played by me, but a friend of mine, and after a close discussion i've trying to ask for your opinion...
Just another home game, where ppl are very relaxed and friendly, and there is no rake, so evrybody basically have the time to enjoy themselves.. 8 handed.
v1 sb is this hand is an semi rec player. saw him limp fold more than a couple of times, overplay his overs way more than he should - tight weak. (700$)
v2 in the hand ia the excat opposite. A comlete lagtard whale, vpip 100% pfr 100% usually play much much bigger so the money is not important to him (3.2k)
Hero is a young Tag, percived as a good player to table, although i think he limps wayyyyy to much (2.5k).
On to the hand:

limps to v1 in the sb (very rare in this table) who makes it 50. (std open is beetwen 35-50).3 folds to Hero in utg+2 calls (10h10c), v3 calls.

board is 873hhh. (155)

v1 check, hero check, v3 bets 200 (kinda standrd)
v1 fold hero calls (?)
turn is an offsuit 2. (555)
Hero checks, v2 is AI, which puts Hero AI as well..

Hero?

I dont like the play at all. Just open it Cbet and decide then.
I guess hero likes to play the guessing game...
As played pre after V1 checks im betting this hand myself to get more information.
When hero checks here he should have some serious reads on v2.
Guess you saw him bluff his stack away earlier. If he bluffs every hand when checked to him; then obv when we take this line of c/c flop we are planning to c/c alot of turns and obv we HAVE to call this turn.
Since V3 prob has atleast a lot of outs im folding as played (check flop) to the flop bet with the desciption of V3.

turn is a fold, how he got in that spot is pretty gross

Sorry, you limp/called pre in a multiway pot with TT and then called an over pot sized bet on that flop from someone who also limp/called pre? Then we fold the blankest turn possible?

That line is god awful.

don´t forget rumor, he is a TAG though...

OMG I missed that. I can't believe I missed that.

^^ you missed a lot,
but still, i'm quite aware of the awakrdness of this situation, basiclly 'cause of the limp, but i'm shor it was just to set a trap to the laggish on the left, raising every hand (although not the perfect one).
Once again, any thoughts on the turn facing a big shove from a guy who has a wide range of hands?

Once again, my thought is the hand is an abortion and the turn is the least of your worries.

I think I'd need some knowledge that the villain will bluff for 2k before I could justify snapping here. That's just such an extreme thing to do.

So yes, vill is indeed capable to bluff in these spot after a flat and a brick OTT..
After knowing that, while limping into the pot, how long it will take you to snap him off, if any?

What sort of limp range are we talking about? If he isn't limping 32, 73-72, 83-82, and is raising any pocket pair then it's a lot easier to call.

kind of strange villan who will open w j3o but sometimes (rarely) will limp w 72 and other garbage. in these situation, after the pre flop plan of hero to iso villan was incomlete, we're stuck w an overpair on monotone board against the widest range ever.. I personally thought that that's suppose to be a snapcall, since villan is capable of shoving w nothing, and since a brick fell OTT it's easier..?

Open preflop.

C-bet flop for value.

As played I think this is an easy fold if I am reading the stack sizes correctly.

Agree that this hand is butchered beyond repair. How do you limp UTG with TT unless its to limp/3bet? As played, fold cause you f'd this hand up big time. The shameful part is that after villain description you're probly good but its a guessing game now.

Once again, I'm not the onw who played this hand, soo...
Do you really think that folding in this spot is way too exploitabale, cause' villan can rep a lot of hands in here, lot of them we're crushing, and just a minority we're crushed to..
That being said, I thought at the time, that calling is better, and by us expanding our calling range vs. villan we're less exploitable in other spots..
(and yes, I agree about the all PF action. that was pretty bad)

not the spot i´m looking for to call a 5 times pot bet...

Yes it is a little exploitable but when the bluffs are that much bigger than the pot I think it's ok to be slightly exploitable with marginal hands until you have an actual read that he can make that bluff

In a crazy game with a lot of limping and calling, not opening with TT is beyond ******ed. Not only are we losing a lot of value from (much) worse hands that will call our opens, but we are exposing ourselves to all sorts of dirtiness. Of course these guys will limp behind with Q2hh and have us drawing dead! Also it's easier to play 3-bet pots if someone opens.

Then just calling the open is just as strange (bad), because it opens the whole range of garbage to feel priced in and carry on with their terrible holdings. But being deepstacked OOP against a super wide range multiway is a horrible spot, always. We have decided to setmine and only setmine here, and TT has too much value for that.

Preflop butchers the whole hand. I'm way more happy to get it in against the whale in a 3-bet pot than here. C-fold flop. Basic hand reading tells us that there are NO good turns for us, especially if villain is liable to fire off on a brick.

Your friend is neither 'competent' nor 'TAG'.

^^^ couldn't agree more, and also thanks @The Rumor for your thoughts.
I basiclly thought that although the hand was played poorly preflop, we're way ahead of villan's range in this spot, with a hand that is soooo underrepped, and therefore we can call it in the brick of a turn which did not seem to help villan's hand. (and after knowing vill's tendencies of course, knowing that he can get full ****** on this spot with lots of air hands).