i'm sitting on 1600, villain a 270, and villain b 1000

i open in ep w AKo, 4 flats, Kh5h2 flop, i cbet 50, villain a snap goes ai for 200 more, villain b snap calls from the sb. i do not have Ah.

villain a is really bad. i have him completely crushed here. he's a trypical live donk, has to see every flop, over values hands. and he just lost a huge pot boat vs boat where he should have folded pretty easily imo.

villain b is a different type of live donk. he's an old guy, plays very weak loose passive. he only ch raises with sets or other huge hands. he calls pre with a very wide range. when he cold calls the jam hes giving off huge signs of strength, body language wise. however i would expect him to iso jam his sets because of the flush draw. his 2 pair hands as well, but there aren't a lot of combos of that. he could have flatted K2s K5s 25s pre, but i dont think hecalls that wide that often, but he certainly could.

i think it's too weak to just fold, but calling also seems pretty weak, and iso jamming is kinda iffy to me as well.

thoughts?

Its a great thing you don't have the A , I would flat and look to build a side pot OTT.

if you flat behind are you folding to a turn lead on blanks? bc you probably should be. as played i would fold. also i would've bet a tad more on the flop assuming you opened to 20.

yea open raise was to 20, so there 90-95 in pot on the flop. wasn't watching the rake, it's supposed to be 5%, but they take 10% when no ones looking

lol

i would fold, yea w crush va but vb is a loose passive player who has shown lots of interest in the pot even w your c bet

if you want maximum value out of tptk, i think you can fire this turn easily if its a blank card as villain b will pay you off with k9-kq, but give up to a raise ott as most sets will deff raise this board.

btw $5-5 especially being run in nyc is straight robbery.

10% uncapped which is usually the norm in most places can really be gross.

Villain b in the SB checked the flop? You didn't a really terrible job writing this thread. If Villain b c/c OTF, I think you can call here and reevaluate OTT because your IP and he won't necessarily bet OTT.

yes 10% rake is straight up robbery, but it's not really 10%. It is 5% most of the time, but there are some dealers that round up. I do make up for it a little, I get a bonus when buying in. The game is still very beatable, so i dont complain about it too much.

Anyone having trouble following the action. Villain B is in the sb, so he ch cold calls the jam. While he is an old guy who doesn't put a lot of money in without a huge hand, it doesn't really make sense for him to have me beat here just yet. If he flopped a set i'm 80% sure he iso piles because of the flush draw. So that leaves him with KJ KQ AK and flush draw imo.

So now the turn is a Q and he checks. Not exactly a blank. How do we proceed from here?

Your probably right, but I have seen lots of villains flat in these spots with sets. Even if it seems like the board is a little too coordinated to be doing this kind of ****. They just really don't know how/when to stop slowplaying.

That being said, I would assume he iso raises a set, k5s, k2s, 25s. Older people tend to fast play at the 5-10 level from what I have observed.

The 5-5 games I've played in the city have all been 5% rake I think. People are sitting a lot deeper than in the 2-5 games around the city, which also runs pretty big.

Is there any of that BS where ppl will play a lil bit dirty in an Underground club? to be more specific, would you Turn to the Old man and say, hey do you want to check it down? rather then play it st8 up? might be a good time to do this too? to figure out how strong he really is... (seems like 2pr + to me)

I would think this would be more apt to happen in this spot then at a Live casino. (even though it happens at casino anyway)

nah that **** won't fly. i wouldn't let anyone get away with that, even if im not involved in the hand. i certainly would never try and do it.

also, a big part of this hand is determining if i can get value by building a side pot., so i wouldn't want to check it down.

you pretty much have to fire this turn card to basically see where your hand is at ..as to checking this turn is pretty much a free river for you opponent to make his hand. and you lose insane value if your villian has what he thinks is a great hand like KJ

although im almost sure this opponent especially bieng a old man is check/calling with a fd or a weaker king like K10,KJ about 90% of the time especially when he checks the turn.

most players in my past sessions at underground games pretty much play like an open book. if an old opponent similar to your villian check/calls every street, its going to be a tpmk or a draw. if he check raises, especially the turn. then its going to be a monster like a set or 2 pair at minimum.

250-300 and fold to jam. Shove all blank rivers if he calls.