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5-5 NLH AJoff flop decision 5-5 NLH AJoff flop decision

05-07-2024 , 08:26 PM
Hero - mid 30s just ran QQ into AA for stacks maybe an orbit about. Seasoned 5-5 player but may be perceived as new as I don't normally play at this location.

V1 young asian male. Seems straight forward. Havent seen get out of line.

v2 - Older asian male. New to the table. Havent seen many hands but does not seem OMC at all.

Hero is $900 effective. Both cover.

V1 opens MP to $30. Folds to Hero who 3bets HJ to $105 with AdJh. V2 in BB flats. V1 flats.

Flop: KsTs6d - $320 pot

Checks to hero who cbets $80. V2 calls, V1 raises to $225.

Hero thinks, then calls $225. v2 snap shoves all in by pushing his chip rack into the pot. V1 tanks.. then folds.

Action on hero with $570 behind. Thoughts?

(First time posting here, let me know if I am leaving any details out)

Last edited by Psuedonymn; 05-07-2024 at 08:39 PM.
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05-07-2024 , 08:43 PM
nah I don't see anything left out, not a bad 1st post. I would fold to the flop raise but that's just me.

If anyone called the 80 I would be done with the hand anyway, we don't have enough equity to continue.
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05-07-2024 , 08:52 PM
Folding to the inital flop check raise
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05-08-2024 , 05:31 AM
Don’t call raises with gutshots.
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05-08-2024 , 06:41 AM
I also fold to the first C/R.
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05-08-2024 , 11:55 AM
PRE - 3B'ing AJo over an MP open is a little wide without stronger reads on our V's. I'd probably flat call, even if the players left to act are squeeze happy. I wouldn't fold it, but I think I'd rather double flat than 3B it myself.

I wouldn't mind the 3.5x sizing of the 3B if we had a stronger hand. But I'd have preferred just going 3x, to keep the post flop SPR a little more manageable.

FLOP - Don't c-bet. Just check back. Make a delayed c-bet if they check to you again on the turn.

Nobody is folding a K, a T, or a decent draw yet, and definitely not when we down bet, laying >5:1 on a call.

As played, fold to the check raise. Turbo fold to the jam.

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Last edited by docvail; 05-08-2024 at 12:01 PM.
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05-08-2024 , 04:38 PM
What to do when someone has show massive aggression on a flop where you just have ace high? Is that a question? Sadly V1, being an idiot, cost you money, but just move on.
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05-08-2024 , 05:39 PM
I agree with everything docvail said except that I like the 3bet preflop. I also check back flop and fold to the check-raise. As played now fold again, yes occasionally he'll have QJ or something but you're sometimes even losing to his bluffs (AQ).
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05-08-2024 , 05:43 PM
Obviously you need to fold to the first check-raise, but you didn’t.

So now you’d have to call. $570 to win $1600 (if I’m reading it right).

I can see why you didn’t just snap-fold, but man, you’re gonna be up against a set a LOT here. Yes, sometimes it’ll be a combo draw you’re flipping with, sometimes it’ll be a bad draw (QJ) that you’re beating, and maybe there’s a world where he does this with just KJ (which is laying you the right odds).

But you’re SO dead to sets, and that “cold-call the 3-bet from the Blind” is way more likely to be TT or 66 than As5s (because it’s so much easier to play pocket pairs—if you miss your set, just fold!)
So yeah, pretty easy fold. (And you should have folded to the initial check-raise.)
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05-08-2024 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
I agree with everything docvail said except that I like the 3bet preflop. I also check back flop and fold to the check-raise. As played now fold again, yes occasionally he'll have QJ or something but you're sometimes even losing to his bluffs (AQ).
I would like the 3B pre better if V's open size was smaller. I don't know what the normal open is here, but if the game is 5/5, V opened 6x from MP, which seems large. I think a lot of GTO bois would say AJo is just a pure fold facing a 6x open from MP, at this stack depth.

Hero's only starting $900 eff, and he's 3B'ing 3.5x in the HJ over a 6x open from MP. Was V in LJ here? Like, is hero next to act? With CO, BTN, and the blinds behind him?

What's the plan if the CO / BTN call or raise? What's the plan if the SB/BB raises?

Is this really the line we want to take, and the hand we want to take it with, creating less than 3 SPR going to the flop, when we could be OOP or monkey in the middle, multi-way?

I don't mind flatting the 6x raise with AJo from IP, playing some poker when we catch a piece, or just folding when we whiff. 3B'ing 3.5x over a 6x open here just seems too far out of line.
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