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11-22-2021 , 01:49 PM

eric888666

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BB is a complete fish/whale and everyone at the table knows this. He's drunk and has been ordering double makers mark about once every 45 minutes for the past 6-7 hours.

I have K

UTG +3 and I make it $20 to go. V1 is to my immediate left and is a TAG calls. BB calls.

($65) Flop is K

BB donk bets to $40. I call. V1 raises to $140. BB folds.

V1 has about $450 behind
I have him covered.

Hero?

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11-22-2021 , 04:59 PM

Playbig2000

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folding

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11-22-2021 , 08:56 PM

Javanewt

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Fold vs. a TAG not worried about you as the PFR, unless you have a certain image? If so, call or raise, depending on image.

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11-22-2021 , 09:02 PM

ChaosInEquilibrium

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I might have raised the lead by the Whale. Call also fine.

As played, exploit fold. V1s raise against the whale is verrry strong. A bluff by V1 would be foolish in this spot. He is seemingly unconcerned with your call of the whale which has also shown a lot of strength.

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11-22-2021 , 09:03 PM

Nh,gg.

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The BB being plowed at this point, has nothing to do with V1 telling you they've a set or 54. Neither of which you're doing great against. Moreover, I interpret V1 3.5x over you and BB, as saying they want a call. So don't give him one.

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11-22-2021 , 09:05 PM

Nh,gg.

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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium

I might have raised the lead by the Whale. Call also fine.

As played, fold. V1s raise against the whale is verrry strong. A bluff by V1 would be foolish in this spot. He is seemingly unconcerned with your call of the whale which has also shown a lot of strength.

Missed your post when I replied. Why raise the whale? Are we concerned about scare cards shutting him down?

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11-22-2021 , 09:54 PM

ChaosInEquilibrium

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Originally Posted by Nh,gg.

Missed your post when I replied. Why raise the whale? Are we concerned about scare cards shutting him down?

Just for value, and I’d make it small, like CIB to $100 or whatever.
If he has a hand like 5x he might call a raise on flop but is unlikely to put additional money in on the turn. If he has Kx he is never folding.
By raising now on the flop it’ll be easier to get stacks in by the river. I think we start with 600. So if we go 100 otf, we can go 150 on turn and 350 on river.

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11-22-2021 , 10:33 PM

Nh,gg.

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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium

Thanks! That makes sense. I'm usually loath to take control from those that're happily calling with a poor range, and no idea of when they're beat. (So why clue them in early?)

Which is why I asked.

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11-22-2021 , 10:48 PM

ChaosInEquilibrium

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Originally Posted by Nh,gg.

Thanks! That makes sense. I'm usually loath to take control from those that're happily calling with a poor range, and no idea of when they're beat. (So why clue them in early?)

Which is why I asked.

Calling is definitely an option. Maybe the best one in some cases? I’ll definitely call sometimes and raise sometimes with this hand. I guess I’d lean call if V has tendency to double/triple barrel with bluffs, or if he is very likely to continue betting with his Kx on turn. I’d lean raise if I have a history of showing V some bluffs — I think raise flop is more likely to be perceived as a bluff than raise turn/river. We definitely have to raise at some point in the hand in order to get stacks in. Just a question of which street is best to raise.

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