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01-27-2013 , 08:59 PM

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stranger

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3

Haven't posted here in a while, to the point that I can't remember my old email. Anyway, friend ran a hand by me and I did not have an answer for him:

Live 5/5 NLHE
Hero - Has both Villains covered. Mostly TAG all night.
Villain 1 - $900 -Young Asian kid, no history, unsure if he is a thinking player or not. Dressed well.
Villain 2 -$525 - Older lady, no history

V1 is UTG+1 raises to $20, Hero 3bets from CO with K

to $60, V2 cold calls in SB. V1 Calls.
2 callers, Pot is $185

Flop 10

V2 bets $75, V1 raises to $210 (with $630 behind now), Hero??

Thanks in advance

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01-27-2013 , 09:04 PM

slimshady1999

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This is a shove or fold spot. Call me nitty but I'm folding here. Both villains show strength despite u being the 3bettor pre and the fact that u should often have JJ+ here. Ur either barely 55-60% favorite against a flush draw or drawing close to dead against a set here.

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01-27-2013 , 09:05 PM

Duke0424

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villain 2 is most likely bad

villain 1 is an unknown

against these players, shoving should be fine. v2 could be bad enough to call way way wider than she should and v1 could call a lot worse than KK if v2 folds.

AT (mostly for v2), JJ, QQ, XX of clubs are hands that we're ahead of. TT, 66, 44 but I don't know how likely V1 is to raise the bottom of that pre or for v2 to call the bottom of the range after a 3bet.

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01-27-2013 , 09:10 PM

slimshady1999

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Looks like villain 1 either has a set or a big flush draw or occasionally an overplayed qq or jj. Villain 2s lead is scarier in some ways. She probably has a set and sometimes qq,jj, or aa. The fact that she is an older lady makes me weigh her range heavily towards sets and aa. u might have one of them crushed but I think one of them will have a set a ridiculously high percentage that shoving here is just spew without further reads. And calling commits u so folding is ur only option

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01-27-2013 , 09:12 PM

Duke0424

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Originally Posted by slimshady1999

why would she bet so tiny with such a strong hand?

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01-27-2013 , 09:21 PM

Ray Zee

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i dont think she bets 75 here with a set. but who knows. the other guy easily can have many hands and trying to get you out to play against her. most likely he has the big flush draw or an overpair..
i can see a call here. and play the hand on the next street. flush card or ace comes you save alot if they hit it as they would come anyway. and you may get out cheaply if you are careful. if they both have pairs you get two to one for your cash and that is what i would expect a lot of the time.

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01-27-2013 , 09:30 PM

ATsai

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Click it back.

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01-27-2013 , 09:32 PM

ATsai

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Hero has the best hand here most of the time, and clicking it back is the best way to maximize value from both Villains.

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01-27-2013 , 10:25 PM

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stranger

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Thanks for everyone's replies. I definitely am in Duke's line of thinking, but I wasn't sure if that was correct. Now Duke, what if V1 and my friend are like 400BB's deep? Do you flat there and play the turn?

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01-27-2013 , 10:29 PM

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Duke0424

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yes. if you shove 400bb deep, you are turning your hand into a bluff. if you call instead, you have room to maneuver

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01-27-2013 , 10:45 PM

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stranger

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Well yes, I meant would you raise small instead to take control of the pot, essentially raise/folding. But I generally like flatting instead.

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