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10-19-2021 , 09:12 PM

eric888666

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I sat down about an hour ago and I don't know anyone at the table. I'm in the SB with A

UTG+2 makes it $30. HJ calls. UTG +2 hasn't raised preflop since I sat down, so I flat call (should I have squeezed/3 bet here?). BB calls.

($120) flop is Q

I check. BB leads out $100 and everyone folds to me. BB has $220 left and I have him covered. I only now realized my mind was wandering and I wasn't doing a good job of paying attention since I sat down and I have no read on BB.

Hero?

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10-19-2021 , 09:24 PM

411Heelhook

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3bet or fold pre, and just folding this pre lowkey isn't bad. As played you can play in flow and call his turn push/push the river yourself if he checks turn or just put it in now. I imagine there isn't a tremendous EV difference either way, just don't fold.

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10-19-2021 , 09:25 PM

ChaosInEquilibrium

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I would always 3b preflop facing a normal raise. But the 6x sizing is a bit concerning. Was there a straddle in this hand?

On the flop, I just check/raise all in. I think opponent’s most likely hand is Qx and I don’t think he’s folding if we raise. You can also check/call given the flop is bone dry, but, I think I still take the simple approach and jam — too many bad turn cards: K,A all might kill action. Plus there are a few (unlikely) runouts that bring 4 to a straight.

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10-19-2021 , 11:14 PM

aftrglw

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Definitely 3b pre. On the flop, I could go either way. V shouldn't be c-betting that large with basically any of his range on such a dry flop. I think flatting is probably better if he has any bluffs in his range, but like 411, I don't think it really matters too much either way as long as you don't fold.

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10-20-2021 , 06:34 AM

venice10

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Since you have no clue about the villain after playing with him after an hour, my guess is that he probably isn't aggressive. Even in a comatose state you would notice that he was raising a lot.

Therefore, he probably isn't raising worse than AJo and 88 in early position. Since AQo is behind a linear range with AJo and 88, this is a fold out of position. If you had any reads, 3bet could make sense.

As played, just call. Raising just gets his weak hands to fold. You're not worried about an ace. If he checks behind you on the turn, jam the river.

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10-20-2021 , 11:26 AM

Playbig2000

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Always 3betting pre unless the original raisers a nit, then I would fold before flatting. But it depends on everyone's stacks which are missing itt.

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I would always 3b preflop facing a normal raise. But the 6x sizing is a bit concerning. Was there a straddle in this hand?

a $30 preflop raise in 5/5 is a bit concerning? Do you play in these games? 5/5 is generally a bit more aggressive than 2/5. No need to be worried about a 6x raise in live poker.

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10-20-2021 , 11:56 AM

ChaosInEquilibrium

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

a $30 preflop raise in 5/5 is a bit concerning? Do you play in these games? 5/5 is generally a bit more aggressive than 2/5. No need to be worried about a 6x raise in live poker.

Yeah, I play 1/3 where the standard open is 15, 2/5 or 5/5 where the standard open is 20, and 5/T where the standard open is 30. I play in TX, so action is pretty loose. Idk how 5/5 plays in the rest of the country. Just thought to ask.

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10-20-2021 , 12:44 PM

eric888666

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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium

There wasn't a straddle in the hand. The normal raise preflop at my 5/5 games is $25 to $35 without any limpers in the pot yet. Sometimes $15-$20, but i'd say those are rare in the games I play. I play in Los Angeles

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10-20-2021 , 12:57 PM

eric888666

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Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium

the 1/3 is only $100 Max buy-in. preflop raise is about $12-$15

the 2/5 is only $300 Max buy-in. preflop raise is about $15-$35

the 5/5/ is $500 to $1000 Max buy-in (depending on the casino) preflop raise is about $20-$35

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10-20-2021 , 01:35 PM

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FYI to some of you: BB bet $100, not the original raiser UTG+2 (who is probably tight).

It's a crap shoot. That's a big, committing bet into three players, including the original raiser, and there are no real draws. I probably just let it go. If I'm going to play, I shove now.

Pre is 3bet or fold for me. I probably just fold.

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10-20-2021 , 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

FYI to some of you: BB bet $100, not the original raiser UTG+2 (who is probably tight).

I know I was just giving basic preflop info

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Pre is 3bet or fold for me. I probably just fold.

same

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10-20-2021 , 02:55 PM

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411Heelhook

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

FYI to some of you: BB bet $100, not the original raiser UTG+2 (who is probably tight).

Should be more of a reason to stack off here since we can reasonably assume BB prob doesn't have QQ+. We lose to 33, 88, and Q8s which is 7 combos total. All we gotta do is give him KQ and we already have enough combos we beat to comfortably stack off.

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10-20-2021 , 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 411Heelhook

Committing his stack into three players, including a most likely tight pre-flop raiser w/ KQ? Not what the general population does here. Any reads would definitely help -- age, how he dresses, is he drinking, was it a snap bet or did he think about it, etc.?

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10-20-2021 , 04:28 PM

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ChaosInEquilibrium

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I think this is more likely to be AQ, KQ,Q8s than 88/33. Not just because there are more combos but also because I don’t think sets are as likely to lead so those sets should be discounted IMO. Definitely a GII spot IMO. I just fold KQ on the flop assuming we somehow got here with that hand.

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10-20-2021 , 04:47 PM

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411Heelhook

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

Same could be said for his sets, why lead and close out bluffs/marginal hands from the pf raiser and show a bunch of strength to everyone else on such a dry board? BB's line probably isn't optimal regardless of what he has, but we realistically only lose to 7 combos total while beating every top pair or random bluff that he's chosen to play this way.

In the player pools I play at in vegas, this is a stack off and it's not even remotely close. I'm high fiving my neighbors as soon as the chips are in and action is done.

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10-20-2021 , 05:39 PM

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Vs. my player pool, this is two pair, a set or scared slow played KK/AA that doesn't want anyone to catch up. I'm sure there are players who would do this w/ KQ, but I don't run into them often -- Vegas included.

I really need some description. OP?

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