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08-02-2017 , 12:46 PM
V is an OK Asian TAG on a good day and weak/tight on other days. Although we've played a couple of times, I haven't really seen him do anything of note... that is anything that isn't ABC.

Hero has LAG image this session, though no raggidy showdowns.

~$1.25k eff.

V limps in EP. Hero $20 K9 in CO (missed the limp... thought I was opening, otherwise I might go $25-30). BTN calls, 1 of the blinds calls, and limper calls

$79

929

x,x, H $40, only V calls.

$159

K

V $65, Hero stares at V w/ WTF face at the small donk bet and clicks it back, hoping for a OTR, V calls with some disdain.

$418

5

V checks, Hero?

Sizing on turn and river advice appreciated.
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08-02-2017 , 01:02 PM
River, I'd go $150 to get value from a vv weirdly played K. Lower bet also has the potential to induce.
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08-02-2017 , 01:20 PM
Meh, not a huge fan of clicking it back on the turn. I'd almost rather just call and be able to raise/bet the river with a wider range.

I'd probably just make it like $165-$185 on the turn, though.

As played, disdained call on turn = likely disdained call on river (unless air), in my opinion. $250-$300.
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08-02-2017 , 01:29 PM
I would go a bit bigger on flop. It's dry and you block most hands but villains will often call flop with any pair and even two over cards. Make it $45/$50.

Turn is a funky situation that depends on range and what villain will call with. I like raising to $175 on the turn. The min raise is suspiciously small.

On the river the flush draws are done with the hand, the 9X are calling any single bet, the KX depends on how good it is and how much you bet. If he turns up with 22 he probably raises you so that isn't a concern. If you think his range is mostly 9X then go $200/$250, if it's KX heavy then $100/$150.
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08-02-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by teddyrowe9
Meh, not a huge fan of clicking it back on the turn. I'd almost rather just call and be able to raise/bet the river with a wider range.
I think i saw a post of yours the other day that i agreed with, and this is a good one too. Vs anyone capable of thought i would just call this turn.

However, most arent capable of thought, and most capable of thought dont limp call check call lead.

Id go a smidge bigger otf just bc we have trips lol, and id raise turn bigger.

OTR, honestly i "go for it" too much in these spots and dont get paid enough. But id still go for it.
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08-02-2017 , 01:44 PM
I honestly think river sizing is the most underrated and underappriciated skill in the game. I feel like i am terrible at it because i dont give enough credit to ppls calling range. Im shocked sometimes at the hands ppl call with and always wonder if i could have gotten more

I would go 175 on the river but i dont have a specific reason except that it gives him a tough decision. Even though it looks valuey i think we can be slightly unbalanced vs most players and inverse our sizing i.e. 275 with bluffs 175 for value
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08-02-2017 , 02:02 PM
Flat turn - raise (or bet riv). AP gotta bomb, period.
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08-02-2017 , 02:06 PM
Villain is pretty face up with a weak King with the call the turn IMO. The river likely did not improve him. I would bet about half pot. Anything over that, I think he folds KJ or weaker.

Betting small to induce can work vs certain player types but vs a weak tight player, I don't see that working.
If Villain is weak tight, I would almost never shove or overbet, so I would go with half pot.
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08-02-2017 , 02:11 PM
I'd bet $150. I can't really think of anything villain can have here that is calling. His turn bet looks like a blocking bet for a 1 pair hand. Maybe we will get lucky and he was acting with 22 and he will raise.
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08-02-2017 , 02:13 PM
Turn seems bad

$350 otr
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08-02-2017 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Eholeing
Turn seems bad

$350 otr
Villain is described as weak tight. $350 is very unlikely to get a call from the very top of Villain's calling range.
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08-02-2017 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
Villain is pretty face up with a weak King with the call the turn IMO. The river likely did not improve him. I would bet about half pot. Anything over that, I think he folds KJ or weaker.

Betting small to induce can work vs certain player types but vs a weak tight player, I don't see that working.
If Villain is weak tight, I would almost never shove or overbet, so I would go with half pot.
His best 1 pair hand would be poorly played AA, Kx is extremely unlikely given action. He's real narrow strong otr, and as such we gotta smash.
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08-02-2017 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
His best 1 pair hand would be poorly played AA, Kx is extremely unlikely given action. He's real narrow strong otr, and as such we gotta smash.
+1
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08-02-2017 , 05:05 PM
Just ship it, it's the most fun by far
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08-02-2017 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
Villain is pretty face up with a weak King with the call the turn IMO. The river likely did not improve him. I would bet about half pot. Anything over that, I think he folds KJ or weaker.

Betting small to induce can work vs certain player types but vs a weak tight player, I don't see that working.
If Villain is weak tight, I would almost never shove or overbet, so I would go with half pot.
this. V does not have a 9 because he would have come back over the top on the turn.

he might be as strong as AK.

I think that you can easily get 175. Anything more and you have to try hard to make it look like a bluff. Something that involves lost of stalling and chip rearranging.

now, if you would have just flatted the turn, repping something like TT, he has the chance to pot control the river and he might only bet 110 into you. How much more do you think that you can raise the river and he is still going to call?

I like the turn raise. It gives you more room to get value on the river. Even if he only has KJ, you might snap call something as much as 225.
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08-02-2017 , 08:19 PM
TAGs can be really inelastic on the river even without an image of hero, especially if you took control from him. I like ~$250-$350.
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08-02-2017 , 08:33 PM
I want your newsletter where you raise a limp with k9s in the cut-off, turn the world, and still get people firing at you.

As played, given V's description, is it ever possible he's slowplaying 9x or 22? If not, you have to pretty much go for value that he will call with KQ/KJ type hands. If that's about the amount he thinks you would bluff the river with Adxd, perfect. If it were me, I'd go about $250.
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08-03-2017 , 02:26 AM
Why are you hoping for a diamond on the river? Turn is bad I'm probably going to tank call but definitely not click it back, if we are raising it should be around 160 I think.
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