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5/5 - KK OTT. Best play? 5/5 - KK OTT. Best play?

04-02-2016 , 03:01 PM
Hero's first orbit in the game after getting moved here.

EP and MP limp, hero ($450) makes it $30 with KK in HJ, CO ($1200) calls, BN ($300) calls, BB ($300) calls.

Before anyone says raise bigger pre, know that this 6-way pot is an outlier. Normally I'd get two callers. I need a really safe flop here.

Flop ($180): T22
Wish granted. Now BB donks $75. Folds to hero who calls. No need to raise and I wouldn't mind an over caller behind. Sadly both fold.

Turn ($330): 7
BB checks.

Put him in for his last $200 or check and do it OTR? I have this board locked up and BB is drawing super thin. If he has JT, he has 2 outs. Same with JJ. AT has 5.

Having said that, I think BB was asking a question OTF with his donk bet and I gave him his answer. The jig is up and I don't think checking is going to fool him.

I haven't seen him before. Looks like mid 30s WG. Best play?
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04-02-2016 , 03:05 PM
pre is standard. nothing wrong with sizing there. I like the flop call. as played, I just put it in here. No reason to give bdfd a free card.
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04-02-2016 , 03:17 PM
I'd jam. Tx might call turn that would fold on J+ rivers.
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04-02-2016 , 03:19 PM
Agree it's good so far. I, too, just put him in now when he thinks maybe he has a chance.
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04-02-2016 , 03:21 PM
What Sol said. Put him allin on the turn,i can hardly see any good arguments to give him a free card to possibly draw out on you with the amount of money thats in the middle already.


+ Your range is like wide open here, because you just called the flop instead of raising- a really good choice in my opinion. So i mean when you jam the turn you got good odds to be called by worse here.
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04-02-2016 , 03:32 PM
Depends what he looks like, physically & posturally

I think betting $75 ott is a valid option vs many
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04-02-2016 , 03:40 PM
+another 1 for sol

I really like that the jam looks like a sloppy AK. The pot being this big would make me really hesitant to check at this point.
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04-02-2016 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sungar78
+another 1 for sol

I really like that the jam looks like a sloppy AK.
not really
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04-02-2016 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilmour
What Sol said. Put him allin on the turn,i can hardly see any good arguments to give him a free card to possibly draw out on you with the amount of money thats in the middle already.


+ Your range is like wide open here, because you just called the flop instead of raising- a really good choice in my opinion. So i mean when you jam the turn you got good odds to be called by worse here.
I would also bet around 75 to make it look like a blocker bet. Some people just Spatz out when you bet small like this. I mean he's not calling a shove with just a 10. Maybe check turn and put a blocker bet out on the river. If you want to take it down now just shove.
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04-02-2016 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
I would also bet around 75 to make it look like a blocker bet. Some people just Spatz out when you bet small like this. I mean he's not calling a shove with just a 10. Maybe check turn and put a blocker bet out on the river. If you want to take it down now just shove.

Really? How do you know that?


Its over 300$ in the pot on the turn and villain has 200$ left.
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04-02-2016 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilmour
Really? How do you know that?


Its over 300$ in the pot on the turn and villain has 200$ left.
Would you call 200 with just a ten. I wouldn't. He can maybe squeeze out some value with a smaller bet. I guess a ten calls occasionally. QQ and JJ should be at the bottom of villains calling range.
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04-02-2016 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
Would you call 200 with just a ten. I wouldn't. He can maybe squeeze out some value with a smaller bet. I guess a ten calls occasionally. QQ and JJ should be at the bottom of villains calling range.

Probably no, but what i would do or you would do, or any 2+2er for that matter would do is irrelevant when we are deciding on wich line to take. Many players does alot of stupid things at the table if you just give them the opportunity: and that is about maximizing value.

Generally its a big mistake to automatically assume your villains thinks and acts in a pokergame in the same way you would do. Dont project your views onto your random villains.


The way this hand was played with hero just calling the flop (excellent play), i believe he has a very good chance of being called by a strong 10 from alot of villains if he ships the turn.
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04-02-2016 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wewa925
as played, I just put it in here. No reason to give bdfd a free card.
I think the only one who has to worry about BDFD is BB, who might think I have something like AK. Otherwise I assign zero diamond draws in BB's range unless he has A2 which already has me beat.
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04-02-2016 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DTLB
I think the only one who has to worry about BDFD is BB, who might think I have something like AK. Otherwise I assign zero diamond draws in BB's range unless he has A2 which already has me beat.
wasnt gonna state the obvious Tx hands that will call you as well.
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04-02-2016 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Discipline12
I would also bet around 75 to make it look like a blocker bet. Some people just Spatz out when you bet small like this. I mean he's not calling a shove with just a 10. Maybe check turn and put a blocker bet out on the river. If you want to take it down now just shove.
I dont know were you play, but I know a ton of people who will call a shove with a T there.

I also know lots of people who would play AK exactly like this. Raise preflop....call donk bet on flop because they dont want to give up their super duper AK...shove turn after villain shows weakness.

Hence, why people will call the shove with a T there.
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04-02-2016 , 06:19 PM
IŽd put him on the payment plan, 2 easy installments
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04-03-2016 , 02:40 AM
I think 2 streeter can be good, just know your opponent.
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04-03-2016 , 04:08 AM
bet something ridiculously valueish, like 110. it is essentially an all in, but there all lots of fish that just can't lay down their top pair type hand, and will view the 110 as weakness, or bluff, and get it all in anyway.
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04-03-2016 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Gilmour
Probably no, but what i would do or you would do, or any 2+2er for that matter would do is irrelevant when we are deciding on wich line to take. Many players does alot of stupid things at the table if you just give them the opportunity: and that is about maximizing value.

Generally its a big mistake to automatically assume your villains thinks and acts in a pokergame in the same way you would do. Dont project your views onto your random villains.


The way this hand was played with hero just calling the flop (excellent play), i believe he has a very good chance of being called by a strong 10 from alot of villains if he ships the turn.
Your right Gilmour. I give live players too much credit sometimes. It blows my mind but people call off their stacks all the time with tpgk.
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