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05-15-2024 , 09:58 PM

Bellezza

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Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 259

5/5

~$700 effective

V - tight young reg. I talked with him for a while. He is definitely a winning player, but he seems not very experienced as a reg. Probably learned poker maybe 1-2 years ago. This guy has a positive attitude that poker is easy, everyone is bad, just wait for good hands and print money, etc. He plays poker for extra income I guess, grinding evening hours and never left for a night grind. He knows that I'm a reg as well.

Hero from UTG+1 raises to $20, UTG+2 calls, V (CO) 3-bets to $100, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds

Flop($230)

Q

Hero checks, CO bets $150, Hero - ?

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05-15-2024 , 11:11 PM

YanasaurBBQ

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I would be 4betting here. I dont like calling out of position with kings and letting the other guy possibly come along.

As played not folding flop but probably can find a fold on turn if he jams if we think hes just really straight forward and just waiting for big hands and trying to get the money in. Sucks if he has AQs though.

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05-16-2024 , 02:53 AM

redwhirl

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Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 477

please 4b pre. also see no point in calling when he uses giga flop size, u can trap sets but this hand is vulnerable. GII OTF.

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05-16-2024 , 04:47 AM

moxterite

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Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 1,953

If he's squeezing with AQo but not KQo then I'm happier here with KK than with AA. It's not ideal - obviously there are several hands which beat you - but not folding yet. Not putting stacks in on the turn, if he gets you with AK (which you block) then so be it. I suppose you could just jam now, probably not much in it.

Absolutely 4betting to get rid of +2 and just for sheer value OOP.

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05-16-2024 , 10:23 AM

Playbig2000

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 12,384

700 eff in a 5/5 game is usually a short stack but it's reasonably enough to gii pre if I had to, so vs this guy (I really doubt he's a winning player after playing only 2 years but that's just me) I'm 4betting him all day. As played I don't see any reason to fold, so it's a question of raising and potentially folding out AQ or calling him down hoping an ace doesn't come out.

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05-16-2024 , 10:56 AM

Javanewt

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13,241

Definitely 4 betting. I can't fold now, but it's just a bad spot to be in.

FWIW, I like his thinking, except for the "easy" part: This guy has a positive attitude ... everyone is bad, just wait for good hands and print money.

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05-16-2024 , 11:16 AM

docvail

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Definitely 4B pre.

V is taking fairly large sizing here, creating around 2 SPR. Feels like a fold or jam spot, and with KK, I'd lean towards jam.

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05-16-2024 , 01:05 PM

donkatruck

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,975

How often does he 3-bet? Is he aware that UTG open is strong so his 3-bet from CO needs to be a tight range?
If the answer is he doesn't often and/or yes, then I think we can fold this flop. I think pre needs to be a 4-bet and makes it all moot but with the Q and J on the flop is he really going to bluff here with AK given your range is heavily weighted with JJ/QQ/AQ?

There's just more AA/QQ/JJ in his range as played than AQ/AK/TT/AJ.

If he's frequently 3-betting light and regardless of open position, that is different.

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05-16-2024 , 10:21 PM

Smoola1981

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4bet pre

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05-16-2024 , 11:26 PM

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Koko the munkey

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I wrote a long post that boils down to: 4-bet shove pre. I think it sucks the least out of all of our options.

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05-17-2024 , 02:26 AM

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deuceblocker

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Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,291

You have a psb left if you call, so shove the flop or fold as played. You lose to AA/QQ/JJ, so when he bets this sizing, it may be a fold.

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05-17-2024 , 03:28 AM

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deuceblocker

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Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,291

Villain could also have AK and be semibluffing betting large with a gushot and over cards.

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05-17-2024 , 08:12 AM

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L.C.C

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Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 180

I think you should jam now. If you lost to QQ/JJ, although you lost this hand, you bought an important lesson to 4 bet pre with KK next time.

If he called with AQ/KQ and he lost, he would also buy an important lesson that he can't always print money that easily.

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