5/5 9max
Hero MP 88 open to 20 2.5e
HJ pro 70 2.5e
BTN Nit fish call 700e
Hero calls

(220)
489xcc
X
X
BTN 150
Hero calls (Slow Play)
HJ Call

(670)
4895xccx
X
X
BTN jams 500
Hero calls Call
HJ rejams 2200
Hero?

Something something dry side pot

I can’t fold here under-repped only beat by 3 combos of 99 and 4 combos of 67s, all of which would have been a super light 3b. Given our passive line, HJ could be protecting an overpair with a dry side pot. Dry side makes semibluffing FDs less likely but not inconceivable.

I would have raised flop.

Btw I always like your concise HHs.

Call. Since we just called twice HJ can still rejam with all his overpairs, or maybe trying to push you out w a 2 overcard flush draw or some combo draw like JTs. He probably puts you on just a 9x hand.

Why would he want to push us out if he has a FD? He still has to hit to win the pot

He can still benefit from you folding out whatever equity you have and going heads up w the all in player, especially if you are on some kind of draw yourself. But i do think it most likely that he has some vulnerable made hand and we are ahead.

wow i can only dream of these kind of spots not that i envy your position but i just wish i was rolled for/good enough to play these kind of spots
as for the actual decision i would prolly fold

brutal spot. i guess we're hoping he can have 54ss or value jam some kind of overpair if he calls otf? gross spot but i guess i'd call. makes me nervous because you'd expect him to just x/ stack overpairs otf but dont think you should fold now. i think if we think he doesn't reopen the betting w worse and / or he doesn't have many overpairs you probably want to raise not call turn but id have to think about that.

This.

Def feels gross, think xr>xc on flop.

I have several thoughts, which are conflicting

1) GTO 3 betting range includes 77+ at about 30-60%ish frequency, but ive very rarely experienced 3 bets from 99- pocket pairs in practice. I see far more 3 bets with Axs and SCs. This would at first make me think he has a draw

2) The problem is the protected pot. It makes zero sense for him to semibluff here, so i think it MUST be a made hand

3) I would expect him to put YOU on a draw. This would make me think he could jam with as light as TT+ or A9.

4) i would expect him to put the nit on a set, so it doesnt make any sense for him to set $500 on fire to try and value bet with TT+. Thus, my conclusion is he MUST have (discounted) 99, 89s, or 76s.


As an aside, i think the nits most likely holdings is 99 but he absolutely could have TT-QQ, cuz nits do dumb stuff like this.

Call me crazy, buy reading it here i am highly highly suspicious he has 76s. Im leaning towards this being a fold. However, theres is no way in hell im finding a fold live.

Also calling flop is correct. Btn is short, so no need to raise him, pro is left to act, so raising him causes him to face a very large sizing and folds out the made hands we beat and would be targeting with our sizing

I c/r flop 100%.
You are ultra deep with HJ but, with about 140bb, BTN is not short either.
Actually, getting HU with BTN wouldn't be that bad, imo. Having a pro on our left, ultra deep on a very dynamic board can be troublesome.

As played, turn is gross.
Your hand is somewhat underrepped but, if BTN is really a nit, he as 99 here quite often. HJ should know it, and he overshoves 500bb nonetheless after you c/c.

I don't know, if there is ever a spot where to fold a set, this might be it.

Slowplaying can be fine, but you have to donk the turn once HJ calls. BTN is going to be a lot less likely to bluff once called by 2 players, so if you have a strong hand it’s important to put in the money yourself.

As played I would call, but I wouldn’t feel too happy about it. Timing tell is important, eg if HJ tanks a bit before jamming, it’s much more likely that he has AA/KK and I would feel much better about the call.

Edit: just want to clarify that I think it’s a clear call either way. At these stakes I don’t think hero folding is a good habit to get into—people show up with all sorts of unexpected hands so I would never fold something like middle set here.

I would have donk-led the flop for 1/2-2/3 pot, OOP and multi-way with middle set. If we donk-lead flop, we barrel turn for 2/3 pot to 1.5x pot.

AP, I don't know how we could ever fold, even expecting to be behind or get out-drawn some percentage of the time.

You guys are scared of the hands that beat us but what about the much more likely TT+ putting us on a draw trying to protect their hand and or build a huge side pot? I’m happily snap calling.

Preflop standard.

Flop: I just prefer to play this fast on this board. This deep, and with a dynamic board, I think we cannot get too clever.

I'm donking turn and if they have 76s I have a redraw and I guess they might get my money if I don't bink river. I really don't like the turn call because we give main V 3-1 to go to the river with the proper IO on his NFDs.

Ap turn: I think we have to call. We get 2-1 and we are way too high in our range to fold for this price. While he has some FDs he would play in this weird way, I think he's overpair heavy and wants to fold our draws. H has taken a very passive line that looks like a draw. V actually has made the right play because we have to fold our draws getting 2-1.

Forget everything else about this hand, hell, imaginge hero folded pre. You think its likely a pro calls off a stack with TT vs a nit who cold called a 3! On this board??? If he has QQ-TT he needs to find a new profession. Maybe you can put yhe nit on 88-QQ and find a call off with AA-KK, but NO WAY with TT

RESULT

hero calls!

BTN has AA
HJ has 76s

Hero binked FH redraw?

Yes sir!

Wondering what the BTN would have done with AA if we donk-led flop and HJ called. Imagine BTN jams, and we over-jam. Is HJ going to call with 76? Seems unlikely.

Flop flat call seems bad on wet board in 3! pot 3-way.

What do people think about flop donks in multiway spots? I'd be very happy leading heads up, but not sure what you're supposed to do multiway.

Your flop overcall should drive out HJ's A-high stuff, but you at least want to give the deeper player a chance to be involved, so I'm fine with the play. As played, calling the rejam

This is a perfect spot for hero to donk. We have thick value on a low-middling connected and dynamic board. We want to build a pot and make sure the flop doesn't check through.

https://upswingpoker.com/donk-bet-lead-flop-strategy/

Agreed. They read like online HHs, but then again, so does the discussion surrounding them, which is great. I usually learn quite a lot.

As far as raise flop, we don't want to keep in the 3b'ing V, who very likely doesn't connect with this flop unless they've clubs?

I would play for a x/r on the flop and go ahead with it even after the 3-bettor checked and the nit bet. The old school approach is not to slow play on a wet board. You can be raising with a draw and the other players can have draws. I would try to build the pot as much as possible.