5/5

~1000 effective

V1(~500$) - Old Iranian man. He seems like a rec player.

V2(~$1000) - Loose passive player. His range is very wide preflop.

MP(V1) raises to $20, Hero(BU) 3bets to $75 with AK, SB(V2) calls, MP calls

Flop($230) T 9 4

V2 x, V1 x, Hero bets $120, V2(SB) calls, V1 goes all in for ~400$, Hero calls, V2(SB) calls

Turn($1430) 2

x Hero($525) checks

River($1430) 9

x x

I'm completely lost in this hand. On which street would you play differently?

Try to hit next time

Honestly, with the cold caller and MP open/calling range I might just check back to try and realize all of our equity while losing the minimum if we don't hit. Best case scenario one of them also hits a flush and the money should get in anyway. They likely shut down their JJ/QQ on an A/K and you don't win much anyway. You basically have a bluff catcher with decent equity. I'd just get to show down, maybe a larger sized bet or overbet on turn if we pick up equity with a Broadway draw- we block both of the nut straight draws that hit on a Q or J and the J only completes for 78. Turn betting large may be lighting money on fire vs two players, not entirely sure about that one.

Wouldve played it exactly the same.

You didn't do anything wrong - betting and checking this flop are both fine. As played you got a great flop result - just bad turn and river. Unlucky

You could check back the flop if you want as T high boards aren't great for 3b player as you may want some strong flush draws in your range to trap fish who put you on high cards and they just blast away turn and river but I think the result we got on the flop is fine.

You played it fine. Can consider jamming flop over the all in to clean up some equity but getting the deeper stack to subsidize your draw is a good result too.

PRE - raise bigger against loose rec V's. You could go at least $80 here, maybe even as much as $100. Doesn't look like these guys like folding.

FLOP - just check it back. If you must c-bet, go smaller, like 1/3 pot or less, no more than $75, and $50 would be better. Your >1/2 pot c-bet size commits you to call off if V1 jams, and gives V2 a great over-lay price to call.

I think with AKdd specifically, I'd just check it back. We block the K-high flush draws we want our opponents to have, making it more likely they have at least top pair or better.

I'd want to play pot control on the flop, so we can continue across more turns, without pot committing ourselves before we make our hand.

This is a wet board that's going to smack the Tx and 9x combos in our opponent's ranges. We don't need to go huge to fold out hands that completely whiffed, but we're not folding out top pair or better with a single bet, and probably not folding out too many straight draws.

TURN - check back is fine.

RIVER - check back and hope AK is good.

Checking the flop here with V2 being extremely wide is a big mistake - he's going to have a lot of marginal hands that might be flipping with us right now so we should be applying pressure.

Are we trying to make V2 fold, or are we just semi-bluffing to bloat the pot we expect to win?

What hands are we expecting him to fold on this board?

He was noted as calling very wide preflop so he has all the Tx/9x/mid-small pairs/etc that we're barely ahead of but can fold most of these hands on future streets. You also keep your range uncapped with a hand that can make the nuts and is maybe the easiest hand to play on a board like this - do you only bet AT+ here?

I think it's a big mistake to think we're folding out Tx and 9x with a single bet. It's a bigger mistake to think he's going to fold the turn or river just because we continue to bet on a brick runout.

It sounds like your plan is to just barrel off here, with ace high, even if we don't improve, hoping V will eventually fold his pair? How do you know he doesn't have 2P+, and isn't planning to check raise?

Honestly, I might not bet flop with AT, because I don't think we should try to get three streets of value with TPTK on this board texture that doesn't seem to favor our range, and I'd prefer to see what he does on the turn when we check back flop.

We can try to rep over-pairs, but if we keep betting and he keeps calling, he either doesn't believe us, or has our over-pairs beat. All we're doing by c-betting and barreling here is donating.

bet smaller on flop, we want to keep them wide, not get jammed on. Im betting 60-75 here. Obviously not folding but at least it defines their range better for a turn jam if they check to us. As played we're far too committed to do anything but just get it in at this point. We're happy to take it HU or 3way for all of it at 100BB's, we cant expect to just call the x/r with any intent to x/f later streets and if V2 ships turn then we just get it in bad so if we're punting NFD's might as well go ahead and seal our fate now, ya never know sometimes they had QJdd.

I never said one bet is going to fold out Tx - 9x possibly, but you're setting up for a multi street play where you have tons of equity and control future streets with an uncapped range. If he has 2pair/sets we're obviously going to find out on the flop but that happens maybe 5% of the time. Crazy you want to play a hand with so much equity so passive on the button - think your strategy is extremely flawed here

It's an SPR of 2 for V1 on the flop. He's probably never folding top pair on any street. He's definitely not folding 2P+.

This board doesn't really favor the pre-flop 3B'er's range. It favors the callers' ranges, and we have two of them to get through. Semi-bluffing into two opponents with 2 SPR, on this board, rather than taking our equity and seeing a free turn seems pretty spewy. This seems like a great spot for either V to check raise, and V1's check raise is likely to be all in.

If the flop texture made it less likely either V could have 2P or a set, and more likely we had TPTK or better, I could see c-betting. I'm not worried about capping our range by checking back when most of our range is over-pairs that don't love this flop.

Don't know how you're getting 5% frequency for either V to have 2P+ on this board. But we can also be up against other draws that aren't folding to a small bet, and might check raise, putting us in the blender.

I didn't jam the flop for one main reason: I'm never ahead of V2 calling range. This is why the entire hand confused me. However, I feel like I played it well, and many ppl seem to agree with that assessment.

I don't agree with the suggestion to check the flop to avoid difficult spots and simplify the game. The goal is to maximize EV.

In general, on these boards, if we face a tight range, we should check back. But the wider our opponent’s range, the more inclined we are to bet.

Betting 1/3 pot, as recommended, seems like the best play. It keeps opponents ranges wide and weak.

You're probably not ahead of V2's calling range, but we shouldn't assume he'll actually call with the correct range. Like, he may fold a lot of his 1P holdings, and only continue with 2P+, and maybe some draws that we have crushed.

The problem with flatting the jam is that you give V2 great odds to continue with all those hands he may have folded if you re-jammed. Even if he calls a re-jam with 2P+, we're not dead. But if he calls with 1P and we brick out, we're just donating.

The decision to c-bet or check back should take stack depth into consideration. When deeper, we can c-bet, but we need to be careful when the SPR gets lower, especially on wet boards like this one.

I disagree about when to bet or check back based on our opponents' ranges, on a wet board like this, that doesn't really connect all that well with our 3B'ing range. A tight player could show up here with 2P+ or a decent draw. So could a loose player.

Since it's multi-way, we can bet less than 1/3 pot on flop. But when we do c-bet small, we should expect to get raised at some frequency. So before we bet, we should think about how we're going to respond in that scenario.

Our flop c-bet here sets up this situation where we're committed to at least calling the jam, but faced with the difficult decision about whether or not to re-jam with just a draw. We could have avoided this by checking back and taking a free card.

Take a reasonable range in PPT and you can figure out how many combos are 2pr+. Plug in a 40% range against a villain who never folds preflop, and you have 68% vs this range with a hand that can't be any easier to play. Don't really care to debate this anymore though gl.