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12-10-2015 , 07:20 AM
I think I butchered this hand.

An hour in at a new casino.
V is a woman, who in full for 300BBs. She appears to know a few people from the casino. Her husband/ boyfriend/ partner is playing 5/T and she's also on the list. V appears to be weak-tight at the moment.
Hero appears to be a nit. Card dead. 100bbs.

Folds to V in MP. V limps. Hero $25 on the btn AJs. Folds around. V calls.

~55 J66r
V checks. Hero bets $35. V c/r aises to 85. I call
- This should have been a fold since it's against a weak- tight.

-225 J66Jr
V checks. Hero shoves.
-Shoving is pretty bad here. I don't see this V calling a shove here since I'm nitting it up. if you are betting on the turn, how much are you betting? $100? And what will call?
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12-10-2015 , 08:51 AM
Fold flop.

As played, You're never getting 2 streets here from a 6, so I check back the turn and then bet like 125 on the river and hope she puts me on AA/KK and makes a crying call.
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12-10-2015 , 09:38 AM
How solid is this weak-tight read? I'm having trouble thinking of what could happen in 25 hands to make me slap a weak-tight read on someone who is 300 BBs deep and waiting for a 5/T seat.

Against how I would normally read a person with those characteristics, folding the flop is out of the question. On the turn and river, sizing should be designed to get all-in over two proportionately-equal bets, so something like $115 on the flop and the rest on the river.
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12-10-2015 , 10:02 AM
Folding the flop would be a *super* exploitative play. She would have to be l/c'ing A6o and 63s just to get up to 20 combos of better hands (which would kinda contradict the weaktight read), and we're easily in the top 10% of our range and if we're only calling with trips or better, then we're probably literally folding something like 99.9% of the time. It can be fine if we know that she's weaktight (I don't even know how we get this read in an hour, especially from someone who's on a 5/10 wait list) and we know that she knows that we're a nit and that this is like our first cbet of the session, but I would practically put it in the soul read category.

As played, I'd just check back turn. I can't imagine we're ever bluffing here or that she's expect us to bluff here. We just have to hope she either has a 6 and will put us on KK/AA on the river or that she has air and will go for another stab on the river.
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12-10-2015 , 10:29 AM
Everything seems fine except when you jam you're playing your hand face up.

Flop is an interesting situation. There are some V's who love to bluff paired flops and/or raise with TP.

If the V is weak they love to trap and slow play sets or trips and if the V is good, why would he c/r a 6?

Im calling to re evaluate his turn action.
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12-10-2015 , 12:21 PM
Shes a 5/T player and you haven't played any hands it,s possible she's testing you, or she's setting up to stack you, like 50/50, so either action is fine, but maybe fold and see if she does it again, or call and see if she slows down.

I fold.

Turn shove is bad, act sacred and hope ahe bluffs river, shes certainly folding worse.
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12-11-2015 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
How solid is this weak-tight read? I'm having trouble thinking of what could happen in 25 hands to make me slap a weak-tight read on someone who is 300 BBs deep and waiting for a 5/T seat.
My notes say that V l/f pre twice. Additionally, V l/c pre; fold to c-bet on dry boards twice. Of all the hands that she's played, she's only raised once. I know this is a small sample size and LOL live reads, but if I see something once, I make note.

Edit: I play against a handful of 5/T players. Just because their name is on the 5/T game doesn't mean that they are necessarily better than a 1/2-2/5 player. More than likely they are but remember, there are also many players that are just as bad.

Last edited by PositiveEV; 12-11-2015 at 04:54 AM.
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12-11-2015 , 05:04 AM
I like the idea of calling the flop raise and then evaluating the turn since we have position. We get to see what she does. If she slows down and if we didn't bink on the turn, I'm check behind on the turn for sure and trying to get to showdown cheap.

I'm not sure if we will be able to get 3 streets of value out of this player, though I'd love to do that. To get paid off, I think check back turn and then firing a medium size river bet is best.

I talked with her before I left the casino so I have a spoiler. I'll post results when the thread dies in a couple days.
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12-11-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PositiveEV
Edit: I play against a handful of 5/T players. Just because their name is on the 5/T game doesn't mean that they are necessarily better than a 1/2-2/5 player.
It likely either means that she's better than your average 1/2-2/5 player, or it means that the money means nothing to her and likes to gambool at the higher stakes and feel cool. In either case, she's not so likely to just be nut-peddling because nut-peddling is boring and doesn't make you much money.

It's not much to go on--she might just be their to hang out with her 5/T crusher husband and she likes killing the time by getting her fingers on some chips and hitting a hand once a blue moon, or she might be building up a straightforward image before she table changes with her husband and starts colluding the pants off of a bunch of unsuspecting $2k stacks, who knows really--but it's at least as much to go on as the fact that she folded to 2 out of 2 cbets so far. I mean, if we cared about a sample size that small, then you can now say that she's raised 1 out of 3 cbets so far, and that's a pretty damned high frequency.

I would just treat her as an unknown for another few orbits.
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