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5/5 98s 3b pot against young TAG 5/5 98s 3b pot against young TAG

05-04-2024 , 06:07 AM
5/5
$600 effective

V(BU) - young TAG

Hero(SB) 9 8

BU opens to $15, Hero reraise to $50, BU Calls

Flop($105) K J T

Hero bets $50, BU calls

Turn($205) 6

Hero bets $110, Calls

River($425) 5

Hero(~$400 left) - ????

1) x/f flop?

2) as played. jam river?

3) Could this hand be played differently? Maybe bet big turn and give up river. Or bet small turn and overbet shove river etc
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05-04-2024 , 10:44 AM
Flop is the only interesting street. We have a range advantage but he can still have 4 of the top 5 hands so we can’t just start barreling off. He has 16 combos of AQ and 4 of Q9 as well as tons of hands like KQ AJ etc and some sets.

I would choose this hand to delay cbet and check fold flop.

As played jam river.
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05-04-2024 , 12:12 PM
I like it as played. You have to cbet with range advantage, OESD and BDFD. However, villain should hit this flop a lot. I would jam river, representing KK/JJ/TT maybe AK/AA.
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05-04-2024 , 02:19 PM
You should study some preflop sims/charts and learn preflop well. It's the most important and basic part of the game and not too difficult to learn. 4-4.5x should be the
preflop size here, this is way too small. Also this specific hand is either a low frequency play or pure fold in this spot. Not sure why neither previous posted mentioned the basic sizing error

On flop you bet too big. This spot is a range bet for quarter pot on a triple Broadway like this in this spot.

Turn is good

River this hand is about the nut low in terms of bluff properties because it blocks so much auto folds from villain. You're going to bluff Ax here of the non heart variety, 77, 65, 76, and possibly T9 and QT instead. But your hand should certainly give up. Jamming would be a big blunder contrary to what the other two users said
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05-04-2024 , 02:29 PM
you could just fold preflop

i avoid playing pots vs good or taggish players unless i have a good reason to. i rarely have a good reason to. theres too many passive players to beat up on instead.

as played i c/f flop and wonder why i bothered 3betting this hand in the first place.
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05-04-2024 , 03:18 PM
As others said. Pre is too small. Pretty much every street has a bet sizing mistake.

Pre is too small. Go 4x or 4.5x... so 60 to 65.

Flop is too large. 1/2 pot is too big. Use 1/4 to 1/3 as a range bet in a 3bet pot and expect to get called a LOT on this board.

Turn is a great dbl barrel card. One of the best in the deck for us. Size up. 1/2 pot is too small. I go 2/3 to 3/4 depending on sizes. I want to have a 2/3 to pot sized bet left for the river.

River: shoving most rivers. You will fold out a lot of pair plus straight draws that get there.
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05-04-2024 , 03:56 PM
Mandatory shove (you will literally never have a worse hand here), and very well played as far as bet sizings go. V has a lot of call-call-fold hands here (QJs, QTs, maybe AJ calls Turn to fold River, and maybe KQ folds the River).
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05-04-2024 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kvnd
You should study some preflop sims/charts and learn preflop well. It's the most important and basic part of the game and not too difficult to learn. 4-4.5x should be the
preflop size here, this is way too small. Also this specific hand is either a low frequency play or pure fold in this spot. Not sure why neither previous posted mentioned the basic sizing error

On flop you bet too big. This spot is a range bet for quarter pot on a triple Broadway like this in this spot.

Turn is good

River this hand is about the nut low in terms of bluff properties because it blocks so much auto folds from villain. You're going to bluff Ax here of the non heart variety, 77, 65, 76, and possibly T9 and QT instead. But your hand should certainly give up. Jamming would be a big blunder contrary to what the other two users said
Took preflop advice into consideration.

But the river, I don't really understand. My main goal is to get him off hands like QT, QJ, AJ, or even JT, KQ. And I'm not blocking any of them. I'm only blocking K♥️9♥️ and T♥️9♥️. Hands like AQ, JJ, TT he might have raised earlier.
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05-04-2024 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
you could just fold preflop

i avoid playing pots vs good or taggish players unless i have a good reason to. i rarely have a good reason to. theres too many passive players to beat up on instead.

as played i c/f flop and wonder why i bothered 3betting this hand in the first place.
+1

This hand is entirely unnecessary, especially when only 120 BB’s deep.
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05-04-2024 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bellezza
Took preflop advice into consideration.

But the river, I don't really understand. My main goal is to get him off hands like QT, QJ, AJ, or even JT, KQ. And I'm not blocking any of them. I'm only blocking K♥️9♥️ and T♥️9♥️. Hands like AQ, JJ, TT he might have raised earlier.
That's two (and possibly more) combos than a hand like 77 would block, also a hand like A4 would block a snap call (AQ) as well, and block little to no folds as AJ, AT, should fold turn.

If you want to investigate the ranges further you can do the free daily sim you get in GTO wizard
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05-04-2024 , 05:50 PM
Im checking turn, if i were to bluff at it, id CRAI, but i think im giving up ott. This sure smells like AQ JJ TT, so im giving up. You even block the draws youd want him to have.
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05-04-2024 , 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kvnd
You should study some preflop sims/charts and learn preflop well. It's the most important and basic part of the game and not too difficult to learn. 4-4.5x should be the
preflop size here, this is way too small. Also this specific hand is either a low frequency play or pure fold in this spot. Not sure why neither previous posted mentioned the basic sizing error

On flop you bet too big. This spot is a range bet for quarter pot on a triple Broadway like this in this spot.

Turn is good

River this hand is about the nut low in terms of bluff properties because it blocks so much auto folds from villain. You're going to bluff Ax here of the non heart variety, 77, 65, 76, and possibly T9 and QT instead. But your hand should certainly give up. Jamming would be a big blunder contrary to what the other two users said
Agree with sizing. Only think id like to say is GTO 3 betting range considers blockers way more than we ought to at live poker where nobody ever folds or 4 bets light. Youre probably seeing a flop. I havent decided if the exploit adjustment is to replace some of the junky Kxs hands with SCs for better playability, or to replace them with nothing and just have a tighter stronger 3 betting range, but if its the former than 98s would be a 3 bet. Open to opinions.
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05-04-2024 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
Im checking turn, if i were to bluff at it, id CRAI, but i think im giving up ott. This sure smells like AQ JJ TT, so im giving up. You even block the draws youd want him to have.
Those hands might 4bet at least some of the time?
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05-04-2024 , 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
Those hands might 4bet at least some of the time?
I feel like i have just about never been 4 bet without AA KK AK. MAYBE QQ JJ. Do you 4 bet TT or AQ?
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05-04-2024 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by davomalvolio
Mandatory shove (you will literally never have a worse hand here), and very well played as far as bet sizings go. V has a lot of call-call-fold hands here (QJs, QTs, maybe AJ calls Turn to fold River, and maybe KQ folds the River).
Not many strategies like a consistent 1/2 pot size.

But we agree on when to bet and what we are targeting.
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05-04-2024 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueSpade84
Not many strategies like a consistent 1/2 pot size.

But we agree on when to bet and what we are targeting.
I mean, I like that our sizes lead to a pot-size bet left on the River. (I’m guessing Solver 3-better only does Big Bets on a KJTr flop? But if we do Big Bets our River shove is gonna be too small!)
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05-04-2024 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomark
I feel like i have just about never been 4 bet without AA KK AK. MAYBE QQ JJ. Do you 4 bet TT or AQ?
Button vs SB? All day long
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05-04-2024 , 08:47 PM
This is a horrible flop for hero, practically all of tag hands connect, so the worst he has here is mostly aj/at followed by qj/qt.

Hero blocks 99,88.

Check flop might be best, triple barrel feels optimistic. As played I would consider x-jam turn.
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05-04-2024 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
This is a horrible flop for hero, practically all of tag hands connect, so the worst he has here is mostly aj/at followed by qj/qt.

Hero blocks 99,88.

Check flop might be best, triple barrel feels optimistic. As played I would consider x-jam turn.
Wat

This flop is so good for us we range bet it. You could have checked this yourself in 3 mins. Same goes for the guy who thinks solver big bets this flop. Why do you guys give advice here when you don't know basics
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05-04-2024 , 09:38 PM
Preflop is dependent on your skillset. You probably don't want to 3bet though as I'm assuming players overcall vs 3bets.

Flatting is probably better if you are going to continue and then you can maneuver a bit better at higher SPR's vs a highly exploitable player.

As played yeah go smaller OTF/OTT and then river is a give up in theory but if you think they fast play their strong hands too much then jamming river is fine. The problem with preflop is a solver is going to 4bet JJ/TT a lot and no one is really doing that at 2/5 live so there are part's of his range that are stronger than they should be. This might be negated if he is calling too many offsuit broadway hands preflop though.
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05-09-2024 , 04:38 PM
PRE - you're not starting out deep enough to be 3B'ing very wide, or for >3.5x. I think I'd just fold 98s at this stack depth. If you think BTN is too wide pre and weak post, consider raising 2.5x instead.

FLOP - Why are we c-betting 1/2 pot, from OOP? Either check, or bet small, 1/3 pot or less.

TURN - we pick up the flush draw to go with our OESD, but still have no showdown value, and we're running out of stack depth. Either check, or over-bet the pot for max FE. Betting 1/2 pot on the turn and leaving a PSB behind doesn't seem like it will get enough folds after V called our flop c-bet.

RIVER - If you jam, you're repping 2P+, which isn't very credible when you bet too much on the flop and not enough on the turn. Just check-fold.

If you bet 1/3 pot or less on flop, and 2/3 pot or more on turn, I could see barreling big on the river, but as played, the story you're trying to tell just isn't believable.
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05-09-2024 , 05:38 PM
Why are we making this play vs. TAG with $600 to our name? At this depth, we want to be playing solid, linear poker and getting it in for value.

As everyone has already noted, your 3! pre is too small and we really can't range V as he gets a great price to call IP.

The flop here is terrible for us as any Q only gives us a bluff catcher. I'm never betting this flop ever as any pair, any queen and any broadway aces are peeling.

Once called, we can bet the turn but it needs to be polar. B110 tells me HERO doesn't understand whats going on here and if I'm V I'm just calling all day again with any piece. If you're going to go for it, you need to commit and post flop to this point shows timidness and scared money.

River AP, I suspect a solver would probably shove as this is 100% the worst hand we'll ever have and we will get a few q-10s to fold and maybe qj but that's it.
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